Hanspree
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- Lancashire
Ta. You just have to read on here n a lot of people question the arla contracts. They do make it complicated for themselves.
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Yes that's what an overjoyed Arla friend told me from Dumfries. He thinks it's only the start and Morrisons will look after their aligned producers going forward .
happycows
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- Location
- North Devon Cornwall border
So how do i get a Morrisons contract and extra money?? Missed out on the Sainsburys one with free milk recording, laptop and vet visits.
All is equal but some more equal than others....
Lets face it what have i ever done to Morrisons for them not to want to pay me more???
All is equal but some more equal than others....
Lets face it what have i ever done to Morrisons for them not to want to pay me more???
All I can see is you need to get on with some mysterious individual in the transport department cos it was him who decided who got the Morrisons moneySo how do i get a Morrisons contract and extra money?? Missed out on the Sainsburys one with free milk recording, laptop and vet visits.
All is equal but some more equal than others....
Lets face it what have i ever done to Morrisons for them not to want to pay me more???
...... according to jonny ovens! That is one thing they cannot do as all the extra is for cost compensation for the extra standards and reporting work Morrisons require and that is all . To give an additional bonus as suggested would only happen if Morrisons decided to introduce more conditions and standards over and above what they want now and so the supplying farmers would incur additional costs complying with those standards and conditions .
- Location
- South Molton
Lets face it what have i ever done to Morrisons for them not to want to pay me more???
When they pay the rest of the suppliers less than the cop the number of those that would protest is now reduced .
Excuse me but if the Arla price in say about 1 year from now drops too around 20p , there is nothing to stop Morrisons looking after their specially selected dedicated farmers by paying them 6p more so their farmers get a cop price, which reflects good on Morrisons.
No they cannot unless they demand additional conditions above normal arla standards . If the cost of complying with those standards adds up to 6ppl then yes but that would also mean the supplying farmers cost of production would also increase by an additional 6ppl . So what you are saying cannot happen .
farmer on a bike
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The contract is for three years and what you suggest has certainly not been agreed and will not happen. This had to go before the Arla board and was only accepted on the basis of it being a payment to compensate for the extra standards required. The Arla board are quite clear that all of the rest of the benefit of the contract will be shared through out Arla. I am fairly sure there will be a floor price in the contract between Morrisons and Arla but that will be shared across all Arla farmers.
Now I quite understand that some farmers are already doing some of the items on the list which are above red tractor assurance and that is why they are maybe happy to take up this option. Some do not see it like this and have decided they do not want to be involved, that is their choice.
The more I learn about it, the more I realise that Arla had their hands tied. At the end of the day we have a guarantee that all our litres will be lifted at the headline price. I'm not totally convinced on this yet, but for this to happen then Arla can't afford to be losing contracts like Morrisons. I have issues with the Morrisons deal though as I have expressed on here and on other platforms. Firstly the way it has been handled has been very poor, no wonder producers are upset, an honest explanation at the start would have went a long way. Secondly, the way farmers have been chosen. There has been no satisfactory explanation about this to me. For a producer who has been a member of the coop less than a year to be receiving a 6 figure sum from Morrisons is simply wrong. Thid producer has jumped in front of many good farmers in my area who joined Arla through choice because they wanted to members of the coop- not who only joined because at the time no one else would lift their milk.
- Location
- Northumberland
Is one of the select few a man who reduced numbers greatly and then put them back on just as fast and who is also a new member.
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5,000,000 litre producer with 500 cows with an extra 1p will get 50,000 pounds per year extra-isn't that correct?
Cows 'n grass
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- Location
- Modbury, South Devon
To me the whole thing appear quite fair. As someone with high numbers of very low yielding cows I wouldn't really be interested in be a supplier for an extra 0.9ppl.
dinderleat
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- Location
- Wells
Will farmers on tesco, morrisons, sainsburys schemes be aloud to join the arla + scheme when it starts?
happycows
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- Location
- North Devon Cornwall border
Whats this then?? About time they offered it too the ones that have been forgotten about upto now.
farmer on a bike
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Yes, I believe so because eventually we want all milk on Arla garden + but I am not clear on what overlap there will be (I hope quite a lot) I have not been involved with that so far.
farmer on a bike
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It has been flagged up at owner meetings. It is more about tightening the farm assurance in terms of data collection. It will pay a bonus to get farmers involved and the aim is to eventually encourage all to sign up. Obviously the aim is to recover the cost from the market.
( corrected to reflect @bar718 's much better informed information below, I have to admit I have left the details on this to the farmers so far involved and trust them to represent all owners in making this work sensibly)
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Arla garden plus is open to all members across all countries. It is in its pilot stages at present, to see how it works with a planned start date of 1st October. It was one of the issues on the agenda at the spring meetings to inform members what it's all about .
Although Arla is farmer owned as a company Arla holds little information about its owners and there farms and farming systems , so although called Arla garden plus it is not to be confused with anything to do with farm assurance . It is a data capture exercise about our farms and animals with the likes of conditions scoring , mobility, cleanliness of the cows , legions and abrasions etc with medicine usage to be added later ( The biggest issue has been developing a scoring system that can be used across all member farms in 7 countries hence why at present everything is scored on a 0 to 2 basis and does not uses the ahdb scale ). The idea from this is that when a customer asks a question about how Arla cows are kept the answers are there straight away as these questions are being asked more and more prompted by the anti dairy lobby so we as farmers need to have this information collected ready for our customers to answer any criticism fired at us .
In return for doing the Arla garden plus reporting which will be done quarterly there will be a €1cent per litre payment .
The whole thing of Arla garden plus is being led by a farmer committee and there are 2 British farmers who sit on this committee alongside farmers from the other Arla countries.