HMA - Halal Monitoring Authority.

spin cycle · Dec 8, 2015

Stuart J said:
Sorry, you missed my point. I was pointing out that the HMA could not be anything to do with halal as the corresponding body in the UK is a different acronym.

i must admit i googled 'hma' and saw it was canadian...but got confused/way laid .i know

, with the 'hmc'....then there's the 'hfa'....either way it's an unfortunate way of identifying an abbatoir...why couldn't they just put 'abp donc' on it for instance

as far as i can make out

..'halal monitoring committee' is ritual and 'halal food authority' advocates stunning...the latter must be ok for RT :scratchhead:

The_Swede · Dec 8, 2015

Lets get a tweet or two out there to RT, NFU, the DEFRA secretary and even the vegan shadow (must be some rare common ground here and if not why not!?)

Un-stunned halal is clearly completely unacceptable in this day and age, this is surely a great opportunity for UK agriculture to be visibly in step with public opinion, perhaps even some political consensus and a solution!?

Maybe even from @TFF News account itself?

spin cycle · Dec 8, 2015

defra gave a £336k grant to a ritual slaughterhouse in norfolk....defending it by saying it was going to the meat 'processing' side rather than the abbatoir

The_Swede · Dec 8, 2015

If that is practising un-stunned halal then its simply scandalous

kernowcluck · Dec 8, 2015

The Government are just pussy- footing around this issue and it's time they were held to account. The petition by BVA and others presented in March with 118,956 signatures which forced the Backbench Business Committee to debate the subject has resulted in absolutely no action. In fact during the debate farming minister George Eustice said that the Government had no plans to ban religious slaughter practices so what was the point of it all.

I wonder if forum members were to petition their MPs and demand action, answers and transparency we would have enough collective clout to force changes. We have over 16,500 members and I would like to think that the majority of us care enough either as stockmen or consumers to want to shout loud. Perhaps mods could say whether this sort of action could be taken as a forum or as individuals.

This has been cranked up by social media and, even if they can't get their facts right, now would be the right time for the farming community to be proactive and not waste the opportunity. Otherwise the issues will sink without trace again. Consumers do care and they deserve to be informed and make their choices. Our stock deserve to be treated humanely throughout their lives and we cannot ignore the responsibility for ensuring this happens.

The Government had fudged around for too long in the face of evidence from respected professional bodies and it has to change.

Wendy10 · Dec 8, 2015

Man_in_black · Dec 8, 2015

kernowcluck said:
The Government are just pussy- footing around this issue and it's time they were held to account. The petition by BVA and others presented in March with 118,956 signatures which forced the Backbench Business Committee to debate the subject has resulted in absolutely no action. In fact during the debate farming minister George Eustice said that the Government had no plans to ban religious slaughter practices so what was the point of it all.

I wonder if forum members were to petition their MPs and demand action, answers and transparency we would have enough collective clout to force changes. We have over 16,500 members and I would like to think that the majority of us care enough either as stockmen or consumers to want to shout loud. Perhaps mods could say whether this sort of action could be taken as a forum or as individuals.

This has been cranked up by social media and, even if they can't get their facts right, now would be the right time for the farming community to be proactive and not waste the opportunity. Otherwise the issues will sink without trace again. Consumers do care and they deserve to be informed and make their choices. Our stock deserve to be treated humanely throughout their lives and we cannot ignore the responsibility for ensuring this happens.

The Government had fudged around for too long in the face of evidence from respected professional bodies and it has to change.

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borderterribles · Dec 8, 2015

kernowcluck said:
The Government are just pussy- footing around this issue and it's time they were held to account. The petition by BVA and others presented in March with 118,956 signatures which forced the Backbench Business Committee to debate the subject has resulted in absolutely no action. In fact during the debate farming minister George Eustice said that the Government had no plans to ban religious slaughter practices so what was the point of it all.

I wonder if forum members were to petition their MPs and demand action, answers and transparency we would have enough collective clout to force changes. We have over 16,500 members and I would like to think that the majority of us care enough either as stockmen or consumers to want to shout loud. Perhaps mods could say whether this sort of action could be taken as a forum or as individuals.

This has been cranked up by social media and, even if they can't get their facts right, now would be the right time for the farming community to be proactive and not waste the opportunity. Otherwise the issues will sink without trace again. Consumers do care and they deserve to be informed and make their choices. Our stock deserve to be treated humanely throughout their lives and we cannot ignore the responsibility for ensuring this happens.

The Government had fudged around for too long in the face of evidence from respected professional bodies and it has to change.

I absolutely agree. The truth is that those of the faith that is disproportionately influential in the Western world will ensure that NOTHING meaningful happens regarding the outlawing of religious slaughter.

The_Swede · Dec 8, 2015

We should try though, farming and the consumer speaking as one, opportunity doesn't come along that often...

I'd expect the incumbent DEFRA secretary to be supportive regardless and to my mind the shadow has no choice given her well publicised beliefs... never a better time to get it brought up in parliament. Just need someone with the clout and contacts to make it a big media issue, Hugh Fearnley perhaps!?

spin cycle · Dec 9, 2015

gotta hold my hands up on this issue...I got it wrong about RED TRACTOR allowing ritual slaughter....all RT meat has to be stunned halal or otherwise...i've apologised to them and now i must 'lick my wounds'

kernowcluck · Dec 9, 2015

spin cycle said:
gotta hold my hands up on this issue...I got it wrong about RED TRACTOR allowing ritual slaughter....all RT meat has to be stunned halal or otherwise...i've apologised to them and now i must 'lick my wounds'

Don't feel bad at least you've done something and clarified it for us.I would be interested to know how they monitor that though. Do they use specific slaughterhouses that always pre-stun? Otherwise it seems a bit hit and miss as differing statistics tell us all sorts of stories.

spin cycle · Dec 9, 2015

as far as i can see...the 'hala food authority' allow stunning so would be ok for RT....the 'halal monitoring committe' is the ritual slaughter body

Old Boar · Dec 9, 2015

The rules on meat labels were changed about a year ago. I had to add every single ingredient in the sausages etc for "allergy advice". As I mixed my own herbs and spices, I just made a large sign for the stall which listed them, rather than cover the actual meat in a huge label.
Then they bought out new rules if you sold mince (or mince in any form, burgers, sausages etc) which had to list the amount of fat and collagen per kilo. As this needed a lab to work it out, I made another sign that said "less than 100% fat or collagen" and if this was queried, I explained the new rules. Most customers thought it a bit of a laugh!
If the powers that be can bring in rules like this, the way an animal is slaughtered should be simple. The reason they do not do this is people with vested interests have a say in Government.
I hope we can change this.
I watched most of my pigs go through the process, not because I am weird or anything, just because I was gossiping with the slaughter boys! Every single one went quickly and was handled with care - the advantage of a small slaughter house.

DaveF · Dec 19, 2017

kernowcluck said:
So HMA refers to a packaging plant in Doncaster. Do some bloody research before spreading misinformation and don't be so rude

I did some research about this. HMA stands for halal monitoring authority. If it has HMA stamped on package this been passed for halal
food. This is in a email from Asda. Their spokesman is Ramin. It has nothing to do with Doncaster packaging plant. If you want the letters forwarded to you let me have your email address.

DaveF · Dec 19, 2017

Stuart J said:
Oh for goodness sake everyone, stop being so Daily Mail.

HMA has nothing to do with Halal.

The HMA that you speak of is a Canadian body, the equivalent in the UK is the HFA OR HMC.
Do some bloody research before spreading misinformation.

Asda have confirmed that the HMA ( in small print on meat packages)
are definitely halal. I have emails if you want them forwarded to you.
HMA is absolutely halal. This was from the Asda representative Ramin. on Dec 19th 2017

DaveF · Dec 19, 2017

Clive said:
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I have spoken with a representative of ASDA this morning

The HMA mark on their packaging simply is a code that tells them where its was packed - in this case HMA is the Doncaster plant - it has nothing whatsoever to do with Halal or method of slaughter etc. There are similar codes used for various other packhouses at different locations around the UK

I think this all started on Facebook and just stands to show the ability of social media to turn incorrect information into "fact"

You are so wrong. The emails I received on the 18 &19 Dec 2017 confirms HMA stamped on meat products are definitely halal. If you want the emails let me know. This is from Asda representative Ramin.

Clive · Dec 19, 2017

DaveF said:
You are so wrong. The emails I received on the 18 &19 Dec 2018 confirms HMA stamped on meat products are definitely halal. If you want the emails let me know. This is from Asda representative Ramin.

please forward the emails [email protected]

as said the mod note was posted as a direct result of a conversation with a representative of ASDA who explained what HMA meant and was simply reporting that

llamedos · Dec 19, 2017

DaveF said:
You are so wrong. The emails I received on the 18 &19 Dec 2018 confirms HMA stamped on meat products are definitely halal. If you want the emails let me know. This is from Asda representative Ramin.

Hi, we are in receipt of your email from Asda, while you are managing to engage with them, would you mind emailing them back and asking why they use the Canadian HMA stamp, rather than the UK HMC

Gulli · Dec 19, 2017

Might have to wait until 2018 for the actual email though...

llamedos · Dec 19, 2017

Gulli said:
Might have to wait until 2018 for the actual email though...

typo on the date, it is stamped 18/12/17 but their ref = 171218

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