M-J-G
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Just like conventional tags.
Compulsory EID Cattle Tagging – YES OR NO?
- Thread starter Alex-w
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Yep just like them
If folk fell out as often as they do it would be like tis on TFF all the time
There will be a simple way around it but I'd put money on a convoluted system being designed that doesnt really work. Much like they did with the sheep job.
It's an opportunity to do away with a shedload of physical paperwork but I can't see that it will. Shame...
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- East Sussex
Before I’d even consider eid there needs to be a serious discussion about tag retention which everyone seems to be avoiding. Each new tag needs a new hole so how strong is an animals ear supposed to be if it needs to get to a ripe age of 9? Personally I always make sure cattle are tagged as best as possible but with a youngish cow I have second thoughts about putting another hole in it. What about bvd tags? Is it possible to do eid, bvd and official tagging at the same time?
I say fk’em. Fed up with others foisting ideas on us that provide no benefit and won’t work or if they do they create more unpaid work for us.
I say fk’em. Fed up with others foisting ideas on us that provide no benefit and won’t work or if they do they create more unpaid work for us.
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exmoor dave
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Readers at slaughter houses don't seem very reliable or the person driving them isn't very reliable.
We read every tag leaving the farm either with the stock recorder or panel reader...... also just got a stick reader....... jesus I've got a problem
Never fail to read a tag here......yet it's not uncommon to have a few non-reads on the kill sheet.
Has anyone tried tagging cattle with a single sheep electronic slaughter tag
In that case, why not put an electronic sheep slaughter tag in your cattle's ears. They're much cheaper, you might already have a stick reader, and I can't recall anything in the sheep-tagging regulations that says the tags must not be used for cattle.
Funny enough......
I was away on a trip last autumn, also on the trip was a dairy farmers with quite a few hundred cows who wanted to make use of eid in his milkers but his issue was once cows were in the parlour the tag was the wrong end of the cow for the chap in the pit...... we came up with a ingenious solution
Tail tape sheep eid tags (55p) to the cows tails then link the tag to the ear tag number
If it dropped off, just tape another on and link to the ear tag again
@Hch
Readers at slaughter houses don't seem very reliable or the person driving them isn't very reliable.
We read every tag leaving the farm either with the stock recorder or panel reader...... also just got a stick reader....... jesus I've got a problem
Never fail to read a tag here......yet it's not uncommon to have a few non-reads on the kill sheet.
Funny enough......
I was away on a trip last autumn, also on the trip was a dairy farmers with quite a few hundred cows who wanted to make use of eid in his milkers but his issue was once cows were in the parlour the tag was the wrong end of the cow for the chap in the pit...... we came up with a ingenious solution
Tail tape sheep eid tags (55p) to the cows tails then link the tag to the ear tag number
If it dropped off, just tape another on and link to the ear tag again
@Hch
Did that chap do that in the end??
There are consultations happening where the policy makers are being told very clearly that any new system has to be very simple. Precisely NOT like the current sheep system.
exmoor dave
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- exmoor, uk
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- East yorks
Ok so I don’t really get the point then. Ok if you have a few hundred that get weighed often then maybe for those customers it has a benefit as it’s easier for logistics.
If it was something like a dog micro chip under the skin that backed up the tag with the real passport number that makes sense to me but just a tag with a random number on an eid
The Eid tags are secondary tags with Eid built in,
It's just when it's read with an Eid reader a long unique number is shown, then software on reader matches it up with the animals UK number.
They are shown at bottom of this webpage
https://www.allflex.co.uk/junior-c-29
It's just when it's read with an Eid reader a long unique number is shown, then software on reader matches it up with the animals UK number.
They are shown at bottom of this webpage
https://www.allflex.co.uk/junior-c-29
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Yep and they were told that when they consulted
about sheep EID tags and where did that get us?? with an expensive EID tag for sheep that only a few farmers and all the tag makers want, everyone else including slaughter plants don't see any need for them and its just another cost burden put onto the sheep industry for zero return.And the same will happen with cattle EID if it comes in.
BCMS/ cattle passports works very well and should be left alone.
Who other than tag makers and a few farmers actually want EID tags in cattle?
When they say : We are going to consult that means they have already decided!
Our shearwell EID tags are like this but you do lose more than conventional tags which we would probably lose 1% of up to when they are finished. Had Dalton button before and they should be banned.
Unfortunately there isn't the technology to have BVD and EID all on the same tag at the moment we just have BVD on one tag and EID on the other.
There will probably be little benefit for your average store producer selling under 100 stores a year
Would that store producer wouldn't benefit from knowing dead weights and grades?
- Location
- East Sussex
- Location
- East Sussex
Why introduce a potential failure in the system? All very well linking a statutory ear number with some irrelevant reference number until a part of the system crashes or fails for some reason.
Be sensible: eid=tag number! Couldn’t be more simple really, this is why I don’t trust the idiots to run the asylum.
How could this happen now? Our cattle have been on two or three farms before they get here.
A new movements system would allow that info to be shared.
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- East Sussex
M-J-G
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I'd say so
EID tagging, helps enable all data from cattle through to killing to be available to everyone involved.
The store producer could then monitor which strains, breeds, lines etc to concentrate on in future, and to focus on the end product.
It may even enable commercial raw data to be fed through for EBVs without the need for pens, paper, staff to punch in data etc. which is highly inefficient.
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