Who is Private Eye's "Bio-Waste Spreader"?

Muck Spreader · Feb 7, 2018

joe soapy said:
Hmm, ag and food is the least of the countries worries,
Seems our defence is f.....ed, the posh type 45 destroyers have the power systems controlled by software
owned and supported by the Americans, Over christmas holiday the doors were locked and nobody would answer the phone.
Also a warehouse full of chinoks, never flown because no software liscence was paid for.
Will be same problems with the new carriers and the planes ordered for them, needing a factory service after every mission.
3 billion of ag support amounts to no more than loose change in the overall scheme of things

The problem with the type 45's are the Rolls Royce WR-21 gas turbine engines and in particular the American built Northrop Grumman intercoolers which cannot work in water temperatures above 30c. BAE blame RR who blame Northrop who blame the other two.

The new Chinooks were eventually totally rebuilt to an older mk2a spec in the UK with at an additional taxpayers expense of £90m. This was the MOD trying to penny pinch and ending up with a bunch of lemons.

And we are busy repeating debacle this with the procurement of the overpriced and unreliable F35 fighter for the RN's two new carriers.

joe soapy · Feb 7, 2018

Muck Spreader said:
The problem with the type 45's are the Rolls Royce WR-21 gas turbine engines and in particular the American built Northrop Grumman intercoolers which cannot work in water temperatures above 30c. BAE blame RR who blame Northrop who blame the other two.

The new Chinooks were eventually totally rebuilt to an older mk2a spec in the UK with at an additional taxpayers expense of £90m. This was the MOD trying to penny pinch and ending up with a bunch of lemons.

And we are busy repeating debacle this with the procurement of the overpriced and unreliable F35 fighter for the RN's two new carriers.

Iheard the chinooks have never been used operationally.

The carriers i dont understand the thinking, the cost will cripple the defense budget for many years to come,
and probably be obsolete before becoming fully operational

Muck Spreader · Feb 7, 2018

joe soapy said:
Iheard the chinooks have never been used operationally.

The carriers i dont understand the thinking, the cost will cripple the defense budget for many years to come,
and probably be obsolete before becoming fully operational

I am not sure on the carriers, but it could be a case of willy waving which may come in handy in a post Brexit world. :scratchhead:

Northeastfarmer · Feb 7, 2018

Tin hat on here but I wouldn’t knowingly drink milk from a cow that was housed 365 day’s a year

Boysground · Feb 7, 2018

Muck Spreader said:
The problem with the type 45's are the Rolls Royce WR-21 gas turbine engines and in particular the American built Northrop Grumman intercoolers which cannot work in water temperatures above 30c. BAE blame RR who blame Northrop who blame the other two.

The new Chinooks were eventually totally rebuilt to an older mk2a spec in the UK with at an additional taxpayers expense of £90m. This was the MOD trying to penny pinch and ending up with a bunch of lemons.

And we are busy repeating debacle this with the procurement of the overpriced and unreliable F35 fighter for the RN's two new carriers.

A friend of mine used to be harrier pilot. He saw action in a few places. I once asked him if he had his own plane with his name on the side and bullet hole stickers for his "kills" like in Top Gun. He said, no they used to run to the least broken one first.

Things don't seem to have changed over the years.

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Shep · Feb 7, 2018

Northeastfarmer said:
Tin hat on here but I wouldn’t knowingly drink milk from a cow that was housed 365 day’s a year

I wouldn't eat beef from a double muscled animal, caesarians and no flavour either.

Northeastfarmer · Feb 7, 2018

Shep said:
I wouldn't eat beef from a double muscled animal, caesarians and no flavour either.

Won’t find any of them here

Bald Rick · Feb 7, 2018

Northeastfarmer said:
Tin hat on here but I wouldn’t knowingly drink milk from a cow that was housed 365 day’s a year

Why?

Northeastfarmer · Feb 7, 2018

Bald Rick said:
Why?

Just personal preference, I once went to a large dairy for a tour who housed 365 days and I remember seeing the cows looking out at the grass whilst they were stuck indoors and it slightly saddened me.....they were very well cared for but to me not seeing cattle out grazing whenever possible Is not a part of farming I ever want to be part of....but each to their own

Bald Rick · Feb 7, 2018

Northeastfarmer said:
Just personal preference, I once went to a large dairy for a tour who housed 365 days and I remember seeing the cows looking out at the grass whilst they were stuck indoors and it slightly saddened me.....they were very well cared for but to me not seeing cattle out grazing whenever possible Is not a part of farming I ever want to be part of....but each to their own

Fair enoughski. But I would have thought it would be very difficult to avoid "housed" milk no matter how hard you tried.

Northeastfarmer · Feb 7, 2018

Bald Rick said:
Fair enoughski. But I would have thought it would be very difficult to avoid "housed" milk no matter how hard you tried.

You’re probably right, but if given the choice I would chose milk from cows which were grazed even if it cost me more

The Agrarian · Feb 7, 2018

Formatted said:
Why's that to far? No reason to house cows 365 days a year other than profit

Says you with the sheep profile picture.

How would you know the first thing about what it's like to milk cows on my farm?

Muck Spreader · Feb 7, 2018

Northeastfarmer said:
Just personal preference, I once went to a large dairy for a tour who housed 365 days and I remember seeing the cows looking out at the grass whilst they were stuck indoors and it slightly saddened me.....they were very well cared for but to me not seeing cattle out grazing whenever possible Is not a part of farming I ever want to be part of....but each to their own

I have done advisory and research work on dairy cattle for much of my life, but it was only when I had my own sucker herd I actually understood in detail how cows think and socialise and what complex and fascinating animals they are. I am also quite sure, come spring and the smell of grass was in the air they would just jump the gate out of the shed if I didn't open it.

Northeastfarmer · Feb 7, 2018

Muck Spreader said:
I have done advisory and research work on dairy cattle for much of my life, but it was only when I had my own sucker herd I actually understood in detail how cows think and socialise and what complex and fascinating animals they are. I am also quite sure, come spring and the smell of grass was in the air they would just jump the gate out of the shed if I didn't open it.

They certainly know when the grass is growing in the spring, there is no better sight than releasing them in spring and seeing how happy they are

glasshouse · Feb 7, 2018

Northeastfarmer said:
Just personal preference, I once went to a large dairy for a tour who housed 365 days and I remember seeing the cows looking out at the grass whilst they were stuck indoors and it slightly saddened me.....they were very well cared for but to me not seeing cattle out grazing whenever possible Is not a part of farming I ever want to be part of....but each to their own

I dont like to see any animals cooped up

unlacedgecko · Feb 7, 2018

Boysground said:
A friend of mine used to be harrier pilot. He saw action in a few places. I once asked him if he had his own plane with his name on the side and bullet hole stickers for his "kills" like in Top Gun. He said, no they used to run to the least broken one first.

Things don't seem to have changed over the years.

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In a previous life, I was part of the Apache AH logistics chain. We had a daily maintenance briefing. There were times when parts were cannibalised from functioning airframes in theatre and flown back to the UK to install on training aircraft based at Middle Wallop.

unlacedgecko · Feb 7, 2018

Formatted said:
Why's that to far? No reason to house cows 365 days a year other than profit

Why is profit such a dirty word?

Boysground · Feb 7, 2018

unlacedgecko said:
In a previous life, I was part of the Apache AH logistics chain. We had a daily maintenance briefing. There were times when parts were cannibalised from functioning airframes in theatre and flown back to the UK to install on training aircraft based at Middle Wallop.

Those helicopters were almost certainly off to fly over my house, we live right on the edge of the training area. Apaches and chinooks are a common sight

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DeeGee · Feb 7, 2018

Muck Spreader said:
The problem with the type 45's are the Rolls Royce WR-21 gas turbine engines and in particular the American built Northrop Grumman intercoolers which cannot work in water temperatures above 30c. BAE blame RR who blame Northrop who blame the other two.

The new Chinooks were eventually totally rebuilt to an older mk2a spec in the UK with at an additional taxpayers expense of £90m. This was the MOD trying to penny pinch and ending up with a bunch of lemons.

And we are busy repeating debacle this with the procurement of the overpriced and unreliable F35 fighter for the RN's two new carriers.

I know that we are hand in glove with the Yanks on many issues of defence, but whereas they do depend on us for many aspects of mutual defence and intelligence they will always be the senior partner; pand as with any joint venture or procurement of equipment or technology from the USA they are the biggest kid in the playground and they tend to hold all the trump cards.

Therefore if there is ever a problem, as with the type 45’s, then the Yanks ain’t ever going to be the first to admit fault and rush back across the pond waving an open cheque book.

Headless chicken · Feb 7, 2018

As we are in februdairy and I know this site is being watched by a lot of people my response is going to be very “careful”

My cows are currently out grazing on turnips and have silage as well

I was fortunate enough to visit @Bald Rick ’s unit recently and saw his animals first hand.

From choice if I was a cow I would rather be on his unit. from my point of view if baldy had a parlour i would rather be milking in that than mine as it stands.

Ultimately it boils down to one simple rule. Cows crave consistency and that is impossible to achieve at grass

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