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spin cycle

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Flat 10

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if you have 'diversifications' or 'off farm income' why risk it on potentially loss making farm enterprises?

reading the cla mag today and it's suggested that there is huge scope for uk farm productivity uplift:scratchhead:

BUT....if subsidies are to be shifted from 'direct payments' to 'public goods' it seems to me that a considerable amount of land is going to be taken out of production or farmed less intensively:scratchhead:........the remaining land will have to make up the shortfall never mind any increase:scratchhead:

looking at 'whats on the table' at the moment,whilst i conceed may not be anything near the finished article... but you have to start somewhere, i'm inclined to double the stewardship and half my production:scratchhead:

back to the cla:rolleyes:....i challenged the chairman at a meeting in swaffam couple of years back about this 'uk must improve productivity' but they're still 'banging' on about it.....all i can say to any cla 'bigwigs' is look out of the effing window:rolleyes:
What do cla bigwigs know about anything? o_O;)
 

holwellcourtfarm

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if you have 'diversifications' or 'off farm income' why risk it on potentially loss making farm enterprises?

reading the cla mag today and it's suggested that there is huge scope for uk farm productivity uplift:scratchhead:

BUT....if subsidies are to be shifted from 'direct payments' to 'public goods' it seems to me that a considerable amount of land is going to be taken out of production or farmed less intensively:scratchhead:........the remaining land will have to make up the shortfall never mind any increase:scratchhead:

looking at 'whats on the table' at the moment,whilst i conceed may not be anything near the finished article... but you have to start somewhere, i'm inclined to double the stewardship and half my production:scratchhead:

back to the cla:rolleyes:....i challenged the chairman at a meeting in swaffam couple of years back about this 'uk must improve productivity' but they're still 'banging' on about it.....all i can say to any cla 'bigwigs' is look out of the effing window:rolleyes:
We are under no obligation to produce MORE. We all need to learn to produce at a higher profit margin whether that be different enterprises, reduced unit costs or acheiving higher prices.
 

spin cycle

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north norfolk
managing risk is fine ,but the biggest risk to my profit is the weather always has been and always likely to be but it doesnt neccessarily mean good weather produces the highest profit

or a boat load of imports specifically bought in to create a glut and lower prices:banghead:

diversify....claim the 'public goods' cash and stuff the risks of production i say:)
 

4course

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north yorks
One way to look at making uk farming possible/profitable is to produce less( will need a complete reversal in mindset here but whatever it takes) to ensure a future for uk agriculture and its participants. Lets face it those selling straw are doing well why ?a shortage.Grain up north is at a premium why ?a shortage.Lambs are in demand weve never seen such prices why? a shortage, hay and haylage for those selling it is well above the normal price why ? a shortage. So maybe just maybe this greening malarky turning the countryside into a park( and that stretch of water) will provide the marginal producer a lifeline and reduce output of goods and others a future . Before anyone suggests diversifying I reckon most are well on the way cos I would be hard pressed to think of a farmer round here who just farms his own patch and does nothing else other than basic commodity production in fact our accountant is pointing out the problems that some folks are facing due to the farm becoming less of a % of income.
 
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On the subject of wet weather and managing risk, I did chuckle when I read some expert in the farming press advising farmers to carry an extra ton of silage per cow as contingency for poor weather. Easy to recommend now, bet he wasn't saying that last year, I wouldn't be surprised if he was advising farmers to push stock numbers last year.:rolleyes:


It’s all very well telling Farmers to carry more fodder as long as the weather is right when they are trying to harvest it!
 
Everyone can manage risk

Do you “risk” £70/ha on new OSR seed or£3/ha on FSS in the autumn ?

Do you grow 2 or 3 crops or 5 or 6 crops ?

Are you livestock or arable or both ?

Do you sell forward ? Spot ? Use options ? Or hedge a bit of both ?

Are you a farmer ? Contractor ? Both ?

Is your only income from farming ? Do you have diversification’s ? Jobs or income off Farm ?

Every business can manage risk and to be successful every business needs to understand risk
are you locking your grain in at this years price for 3 years or taking the risk prices could climb @Clive ?
 
if you have 'diversifications' or 'off farm income' why risk it on potentially loss making farm enterprises?

reading the cla mag today and it's suggested that there is huge scope for uk farm productivity uplift:scratchhead:

BUT....if subsidies are to be shifted from 'direct payments' to 'public goods' it seems to me that a considerable amount of land is going to be taken out of production or farmed less intensively:scratchhead:........the remaining land will have to make up the shortfall never mind any increase:scratchhead:

looking at 'whats on the table' at the moment,whilst i conceed may not be anything near the finished article... but you have to start somewhere, i'm inclined to double the stewardship and half my production:scratchhead:

back to the cla:rolleyes:....i challenged the chairman at a meeting in swaffam couple of years back about this 'uk must improve productivity' but they're still 'banging' on about it.....all i can say to any cla 'bigwigs' is look out of the effing window:rolleyes:
looks like scotland will be using a 3 tier approach with food production rewarded in one category
 

Bill the Bass

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Livestock Farmer
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Cumbria
It’s all very well telling Farmers to carry more fodder as long as the weather is right when they are trying to harvest it!

Too true. It's also not that long ago that a certain beef consultant was suggesting we all turn heifers out onto silage ground in early spring because we were only making silage to keep them in to make more silage to keep them in. Theoretically very wise, but the practice....
 

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