Seed prices .
- Thread starter DRC
- Start date
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
I'm changing varieties this year so I've had to bit the bullet a bit,
cassia £330
Tower/glacier £365
J b Diego £330
Belepi £400
All single purpose dressed and all small quantities.
They're all a rip off when barley on Farm is below £100/ton!!!
cassia £330
Tower/glacier £365
J b Diego £330
Belepi £400
All single purpose dressed and all small quantities.
They're all a rip off when barley on Farm is below £100/ton!!!
Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Should start with a 2 really.
Oh bullocks
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- Location
- Yorkshire
Baling Hay
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One thing really pisses me off. When prices rise so do input prices from merchants, when prices drop the merchant prices take ages to catch up! The usual excuse is "We buy everything forward so our prices are higher". Well that is a form of hedging, hedging can incur losses too and you shouldn't be buying so far forward if you have not correctly managed how to deal with a falling market.
If I was to buy wheat at £160 a tonne a few months ago and said to the supermarket you have to pay me X because I bought forward so my costs are higher the supermarket would tell me to get lost and its your own fault. However, farmers seem to accept the responsibility of merchant's mistakes and pay them more for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Makes no sense!
If I was to buy wheat at £160 a tonne a few months ago and said to the supermarket you have to pay me X because I bought forward so my costs are higher the supermarket would tell me to get lost and its your own fault. However, farmers seem to accept the responsibility of merchant's mistakes and pay them more for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Makes no sense!
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
95% of seed contracts are based on HGCA week of movement price and again most seed merchants will hedge sales against the futures market.
So prices on the day will reflect current grain prices. Orders placed earlier will also reflect the grain price at time of ordering again because merchants have to match sales and purchases via futures on a regular basis or they are exposed to any fluctuation in grain prices.
One thing you do need to be aware of is that if you want your barley seed before the end of September then get an order in. Because processors will move across to wheat in about a week and storage is particularly difficult to come buy this year then there will be very limited stocks on the floor to meet spot orders. The same applies to Oats.
So prices on the day will reflect current grain prices. Orders placed earlier will also reflect the grain price at time of ordering again because merchants have to match sales and purchases via futures on a regular basis or they are exposed to any fluctuation in grain prices.
One thing you do need to be aware of is that if you want your barley seed before the end of September then get an order in. Because processors will move across to wheat in about a week and storage is particularly difficult to come buy this year then there will be very limited stocks on the floor to meet spot orders. The same applies to Oats.
You ring up and say "what have you got that I can have tomorrow or the day after". Helps not being overly picky about variety, but there is always something to drill. With OSR, next day delivery is really easy.
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
- Location
- Cornwall.
Imagine if everyone did this but then where you farm I'd imagine it's not a problem.
- Location
- Cornwall.
Oh bullocks
Member
- Location
- Yorkshire
Better choosing which variety fits your situation than having to have left over's last minute.
How do I know my situation until when I am ready to drill? As said, I have Cordiale and Claire in big heaps, so thats covered most bases. It's not like I ring up and they say sorry, only got Slejpner left. Been able to get excalibur OSR next day any time between mid August and late September. Might be different if I wanted something specific.
If thats the case not much point growinf for seed if you take a pee poor movement price,have a strict rotation,hand roueging,expensive c1 seed farmer takes all the risk,easier to leave in the barn and take a £20 rise in the market.You merchants are laughing all the way to the bank.
And to cap it all you struggle with delivering it to farm on time
4course
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- Location
- north yorks
one of the biggest costs in seed is the royalties riband used to be @ £20/ton the new varieties are £80 plus those home saving now have to pay why/ ? ---- the nfu agreed a deal with the plant breeders and are you making more profit now ?
£60 rise in royalties for what progress in plant breeding back in ribands day varieties lasted more seasons had more diverse parentage and the multinationals were not heavily involved in plant breeding.Vested intrests?