Bossfarmer
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BUT NZ have replaced subs with debt.........
UK Farm Support......THE POLL!!
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Bossfarmer
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but your debt has skyrocketed...
glasshouse
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- lothians
no it fuuuuuuuucccckikkkkiiiing isnt
glasshouse
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No, they are like lemmings, one goes over the cliff, they all followLevel of debt is always a choice , some are happy at 100% debt, others at less . The better question is, do you control your debt or does your debt control you?Maybe New Zealanders have a better sense of perspicacity.
Bossfarmer
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how do you inte
how do you intend to clear this huge debt?
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I think you need to put things in perspective. Nz sub's stopped over 30 years ago. The increase in debt is more recent as farm systems have changed, land price has increased.
Edit: that's like sub's stopping in UK next year and you saying in 30+ years time I will have more debt than I do now. Who knows how things will be in 30 years.
Bossfarmer
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i thought removing subs was supposed to make land cheaper? seems to have done the opposite
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The price of land is tied to its production potential. It’s increased returns which have driven land price increase.
Bossfarmer
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. The increase in debt is more recent as farm systems have changed, land price has increased.
recent yes because commodity prices have been on the floor the past 5 years and they are recieving no support, wise?
Depends what the debt is against surely they have to be productive - sitting on the fence claiming schemes doesn't need much working capital does it ?
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The way I see it is as follows.
Yes you can keep taking the subsidy but the State that pays the subsidy will want a bigger and bigger say in how you run your business. They might even effectively want a share in your business, a bit like the Dragons in the TV programme.
If you are happy to relinquish control and I would imagine eventually ownership of your business to the State then carry on as you are and don't bother making any plans to live without subsidy.
The way it looks to me, after speaking to RPA at various shows etc, the government of all colours aren't particularly interested in agricultural production but are interested in environmental schemes. Environmental schemes will come with a large dose of the government sticking it's nose into your business.
That's the way it is. Governments aren't interested in subsidising production. They are interested in environmental goods.
I am not interested in ending up as a government employed park ranger but it might suit some.
The idea that we can hold out for yet more food production subsidy is about as dead as corduroy IMO.
Yes you can keep taking the subsidy but the State that pays the subsidy will want a bigger and bigger say in how you run your business. They might even effectively want a share in your business, a bit like the Dragons in the TV programme.
If you are happy to relinquish control and I would imagine eventually ownership of your business to the State then carry on as you are and don't bother making any plans to live without subsidy.
The way it looks to me, after speaking to RPA at various shows etc, the government of all colours aren't particularly interested in agricultural production but are interested in environmental schemes. Environmental schemes will come with a large dose of the government sticking it's nose into your business.
That's the way it is. Governments aren't interested in subsidising production. They are interested in environmental goods.
I am not interested in ending up as a government employed park ranger but it might suit some.
The idea that we can hold out for yet more food production subsidy is about as dead as corduroy IMO.
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And just have a look at the price of wheat now and tell me that you really believe subsidies keep food prices down. Food prices are only very slightly influenced by subsidy here. Mostly they are set by global supply and demand. That's why we have ports.
The article in the farmers guardian this week re - "defra's land management plans " appears to confirm this and talks of "whole farm plan " sell your souls or what ?
What are the current results? I can't vote as neither answer fits what I think. It's an OR question but the second option is not the same as the OR. I think the electoral commission would have issues with this one.
They don't have any form of subsidies in any other countries then ?
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We used to have 12 cow milking herds and folk getting a living from a few hundred laying hens.
Times keep a changjng and they always will. A lot of small farms are let now to big operators. In all honesty it's probably more economically efficient. The work still gets done. The food still gets produced.
It's better to adapt than to keep moaning about it.
Times keep a changjng and they always will. A lot of small farms are let now to big operators. In all honesty it's probably more economically efficient. The work still gets done. The food still gets produced.
It's better to adapt than to keep moaning about it.
I don't think there is feck all .more economical about some of these big operations
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I was led to believe that direct subsidies for production were ruled out by WTO rules though I could be wrong. That's why we have payments for trimming hedges and that other non productive crap.
If foreign governments want use their own people's taxes to produce cheap food for us then that's their lookout. Can't say as a taxpayer I'd be over keen on subsidising farmers to flood markets with cheap food to keep foreign customers happy. I don't believe it happens anyway.
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