ollie989898
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LOL.
It's quite simple, I do not have the time.
For the past 4 months I've been working 6 to 7 days a week. I'm not that interested in Climate Science other than trying to understand why most people are persuaded by what amounts to very biased and narrow focus on how the world works.
I think I've covered enough to show I have an arguement and th arguments put forward by yourself and others don't stand up to scrutiny.
All you've got is some science which dates back to CO2 absorbing thermal radiation .. that's the stick Environmentalists are using to tax the lower classes in the West out of their jobs, livelihoods and culture.
I'll give you an example. When you see the BBC news .. you'll see a massive room full of Screens. 100s of screens. Most of those screens aren't needed. Yet this company pushes an agenda of CO2 and warming .. whilst flagrantly abusing energy.
And this is just a small scale example. I've pointed out before that goods which used to be made in the UK are now made in China, using dirty energy AND have massive transport energy costs.
1 Billion new consumers in China .. 1+ Billion in India .. I think Africa is forecast to have 2 Billion consumers soon .. where is the limiting of CO2 with these countries ? Actually there is no limits, they don't pay CO2 taxes .. in fact what we see is the UK putting £ 14 Billion into "foreign aid" .. £ 300 million is given out per year in Visa cards, not even targetted. Creating more and more consumers.
Where exactly is urgent CO2 reduction in all this activity ? There is none, in fact it's the reverse. CO2 is just being used to destroy the working class poor in the West whilst funding the pockets of the rich .. the same rich which openly state that countries like China will use the "Service" industries in the West for investment vehicles .. further increasing their earnings.
Take a look at the MASSIVE £ 100s million yachts of billionaires .. Monaco .. South of France .. anywhere .. do you see those that use energy the most reducing their usage ? Do you think those billionaire yachts use less energy than yachts before them ? How about Branson's space toursim ?
It's a massive scam .. a class war using propaganda and the media to take money .. there is no action .. there is no logic .. there is just greed.
You are quite right. This is my "rambling" opinion based on gut feeling.
Take your precious "Science" .. the £ Billions spent. How has mankind benefitted on those resources being given to "Climate Science" ? Nothing materially has happened of any significance. True some figures on bits of paper might say the UK has reduced CO2 but those same bits paper will totally ignore the fact much more CO2 is now generated in China.
Just imagine if that money was spent on reversing the desertification of Africa .. a win win for the environment and the climate .. but no the money is put in certain peoples pockets.
As we both know CO2 does not rule the climate .. it's ruled by the Sun and the Earth's orbit around the sun. If there was no variation in the suns output and the Earths orbit the Earth would have turned into an ice ball long ago .. CO2 didn't bring the Earth out of Ice ages.
I'm sure EVERYTHING increases temperatures on the Earth .. CGHG would not be able to reflect thermal radiation without that energy was first converted by the solid and liquid Earth. Solids get hotter than liquids which get hotter than gases.
I'm not interested in Climate Science .. I couldn't think of a bigger waste of anyones time and effort. It always amazes me how there are millions of people all willing to argue the point about Climate Science but very few actually doing things on the ground to supposedly "Fix" the situation.
If you are so concerned why not sell the farm and go rejunivanate the deserts and "Save the planet" .. in fact why haven't you done this many years ago ?
You guys don't seriously believe that c02 drives climate?
Plant life thrives on c02, if I add c02 to my greenhouse I get bigger yields from bigger plants.
Tell me, during the medieval warm period do you think man-made climate change was the culprit? The horse and cart must have had some size of carbon footprint.
Vulcanic activity and impacts from space can cause abrupt climate change and has done in the past so many times and in fact there's more and more evidence coming to light that a comet impact ended the last ice age, the younger dryas. However our Sun is the main climate driver on our fragile Earth through its solar cycles during periods of high activity we see warmer temperatures and when it's less active the planet cools. Earth's normal state is in fact ice age broken up by short periods of warm, and which we have been in for about the last 12000 years. There's evidence to suggest that we are headed toward another mini ice age like the one that followed the medieval warm period and all you have to do is a little research into something called the Grand Solar Minimum. The science behind this blows Al Gore's man-made global warming myth to pieces, but we can't tax the sun can we.
Agriculture will collapse in the northern hemisphere within ten years unless current practices aren't adapted to suit the impending climate change. There is NOTHING we as a species can do to alter what the sun is doing and a worldwide food crisis beckons.
Over the next 10-20 yrs expect the weather to become ever more erratic with colder winters and late springs, giant hail strom, and flooding, and droughts and an uptake in Vulcanic and seismic activity.
This is all due to the sun and the magnetic connection between our planet and it. The sun's magneto sphere is weakening and sunspot activity decreasing and this is what drives our weather and causes disruption to earth's tectonic plates and volcanoes.
Look at what's happening in Canada and US, and even France. Giant hail are destroying crops and vineyards and in Canada their still having snow in areas that should be having summer.
There's also record cold in the southern hemisphere while we are having a record summer. Australia will have a late spring like we just did and indeed this coming winter will bite a hellava lot deeper than the last. Before the end of November the earth will experience an 8.5 earth quake and Krakatoa will most likely erupt at some point next year (its just became active again) with the probability of 2020 being a year without a summer, just as it did the year Mary shelly wrote her frankenstein noval. And guess what? That was during the Dalton Minimum of the early 1800's when solar activity was also at a low and Napoleon's army was caught out by a record freezing Russian winter.
The fall of every great empire and civilization on earth has been preceeded by these solar events and cycles and no amount of taxation and useless paper money will change what's about to happen.
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Here's a link to a YouTube discussion all about the Grand Solar Minimum and the science behind it, what to expect and how best to deal with it. Id suggest give it a listen and then look at the current global weather events.
Stop taking the pee, this is a serious thread man. You are a joker. Go away and learn how GHGs work for a start.
Well the information I'm sharing here is exactly what the Chinese and the Russians are preparing for right now. I'd bet my house on it
So embarrassing that this thread is always on the top page of this forum.
The same as all single handed farmers I have worked seven days a week for decades not just the last four months. Like you, I have found a few hours spare to contribute to this thread, although admittedly none in the last few weeks until my previous post.
If you have no interest in climate change why have you spent so much of your valuable time in making so many lengthy posts? You certainly have no interest in why the vast majority accept the settled science of 200 years that GHGs do indeed increase the Earth’s temperature. If you did, you would have put forward some evidence of your “very biased and narrow focus” instead of just trying to bully everyone into accepting your view because you say it is so. Ranting about all the waste and taxes has no connection to what I have been posting. What taxes do you pay that “Environmentalists” have introduced?
I do not use the expression “Save the Planet” other than to throw it back to people like you who do use it. I have bought five farms of varying sizes between 9 and over 3000 acres in four different countries, all in a very neglected and unproductive state when I purchased, all with land that had never before been used for agriculture and which I brought into production. All five were (in the present case, is) in a condition where productivity increased several fold by the time I sold. I have enjoyed doing it. Scrub, rocks, soil erosion and lack of organic matter in the soil have always been the main problems. Plus rabbits on the Australian 3000 acres. It has been repeated so many times, and ironically by politicians, that I am sure you are aware of Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels and the two ears of corn or two blades of grass quote. I have done better than that.
What have you done with your life to “Save the Planet”? Why have you not gone out and rejuvenated the deserts many years ago? Or do what I did and improve individual farms? In fact, “if you are so concerned” what are you doing about the pollution you rant about?
I think you need to read my post again.
WHY are we taxed to the limit on CO2 ?
Because it’s the best way to tax the biggest culprits of the most obvious factor we can control.
WHY are other countries NOT taxed on CO2 ? Because some are third world counties, that can hardly afford the changes and look after their populations as is, who can best afford to make changes?
WHY have millions of people lost their jobs because of what a few people with an incomplete theory "think" ? I am not sure you can put millions of job losses at the door of climate change, theories, and it has also created lots jobs in new sectors.
I like some aspects of renewables. But that isn't a reason to make the UK upper and middle classes rich at the expense of the lower classes.
How are Co2 taxes affecting the poor the most, they are universal via electricity uses, and indirect taxes, they have provided the people on the lowest incomes free insulation , replacement boilers etc etc, that is taxing the rich to give to the poor. New technologies are offering hope of energy equality that the fossil fuel system never could it’s called self production. The schemes offer free solar panels to anyone where the owner or house user gets the free electric.
In the end everything cost money to start up the biggest costs are upfront the greatest rewards are at the end. we would all be poorer long term if the old system had continued. Even China can see the advantages of where we are heading, over where we were.
Wanton Dwarf has indicated from his posts that at least he really understands chemical reactions, so I have refrained from being as blunt as you on the basis that perhaps he may not be able to express himself in a lucid manner. He has until recently also tended to post very late at night, and I have made allowances for this also. Occasionally my mind also runs riot late at night.
On the other hand his posts today would suggest that you are totally correct and he does not have a clue about how GHGs affect the planet. For that reason I have to "like" what you posted.
No co2 taxes are directly on goods, they are on co2 used so the electric generation industry was hit they have moved away from coal as much as possible to avoid the tax, they tax cars for co2 through road tax which again can be avoided or reduced by personaln choice.We are not taxed for CO2 on imports of goods outside of the EU.
You can't tax the third world, they can't afford it, and rightly point out that they haven't polluted anything like as much as the West has in their history. Fair enough.
We need to find a cheap, zero-carbon way of producing and supplying energy to these places. We need to make them wealthier and they still stop having so many kids.
It is that simple.
The amount of CO2 generated by shipping is literally bugger all on a per unit basis, it's WAY more efficient to ship or rail something than transport it in a fudging truck and if you were that kinky about it you can use the wind or nuclear reactors to power ships, both methods work.
science has this think called pear review where they take evidence that has been created via study of ices cores or sedimentary samples and they draw conclusions based on that then they send it out for pear review, where those finding are checked and validated by other independent scientists, to make sure the data is correct based on understandings of science at that time.
This is a continual process in science this is repeated over and over new data comes up. Even then new science and new thinking may over turn that data it may take years or decades, but if the data is found to be in error it’s over turned and the new data moves on, as fact.
So when someone says data is 200 years old was scientifically excepted was tested to be true and possible is still being tested or used in test, then that is an assurance that it’s quite a sound principal in science, it’s not just a few people on videos or web pages saying it’s not true. Its hundreds of scientist over hundreds of years have tested that theory in multiple experiments have exepted that co2 acts as a greenhouse gas as fact!
But your evidence is a gut feeling and videos and websites that offer you no links to real data or pear reviewed experiments that prove they are right! Who is most likely to be telling the truth? Look for data or links to experiments that show co2 is not acting as a green house gas then we can look at it and make our own minds up.
http://www.siemens.co.uk/en/wind/hull.htm
Not all but most, there are a view exceptions.
Siemens is a German company. I'll take it that the UK will produce some German products whereas before we used to import everything.