How did we manage before....

primmiemoo · Aug 31, 2018

Muck Spreader said:
Effing sensors in cars and tractors constantly telling you to stop, due to some theoretical problem or other they have identified. When in reality the only problem is the sensor or computer itself. Progress!

Sounds like you've a possible case of the Parking Sensor Spider within all that.

Known to spin its web only across parking sensors, it has only recently been identified as a subspecies of Orb Spider that, presumably, had been waiting for the first third of the Twenty-First Century to take place before revealing itself.

Northeastfarmer · Aug 31, 2018

Clive said:
I agree - it’s going to be a big problem in the future - too much time staring at screens does not develop people skills. Any computer geeks in their early 20’s I have dealt with are extremely difficult people with serious personality disorders (won’t mention any names ! ). They simply don’t understand people, lack empathy and are completely unable to understand other point of views or compromise etc. They are just not like “normal” people and extremely difficult to get on with

I’m really conscious of it with my kids now - like all kids they love a screen and would play x box or on a iPad all day if I let them so screen time has to be rationed very strictly

The Internet is a skill they will need in the future but people are more important than screens and knowing how to deal with people and problems is far more important and useful

That’s ironic when you own an Internet forum...

Clive · Aug 31, 2018

Northeastfarmer said:
That’s ironic when you own an Internet forum...

the irony is not wasted on me ! ............... or my kids !

manhill · Aug 31, 2018

Ley253 said:
Are not drones forbidden to fly within certain distance of homes and people? Could make finding the drop of point fun! Still never having or intending to use the company, I wont have a problem!
It also would not be long before interception devices were available, and then anyone could obtain your delivery!

Don't knock drones, they'll be better than telephone pole insulaters for target practice.

Pheasant Surprise · Aug 31, 2018

Ley253 said:
I hate the internet, I have to admit. I use it because its there, but thats as far as it goes. It has produced a generation who cant hold any form of conversation,can work out nothing for themselves, and are driven by trash such as faceache and twiddler! I dont have a smart phone, and dont use text, in the case of the latter, if I want to type something, I would send a letter! If I contact anyone, I usually want an answer now,not when they catch up on messages.

So not one positive or useful thing about it? That’s tragic.

stroller · Aug 31, 2018

Clive said:
this is why I still have good old fashioned gates , a big electricity generator and large fuel store, a good stock of food and a gun cabinet !

There's a good book called "One second after" about the effects of an EMP strike on the US, but it could just as easily be a solar flare, worth reading or there is a free audio download on amazon.

Tarw Coch · Aug 31, 2018

Whenever I hear the government going on about improved internet/broadband speeds it reminds me of the Romans.
They used to say that whenever the people of Rome got restless they’d make a big thing of feeding a few more Christians to the lions, it served no useful purpose in improving their lives but seemed to keep them quiet for a while.
It seems the same with our government make a big thing of better/faster broadband and it seems to keep people happy.
I keep hearing how important better broadband is for farmers, personally I’d prefer a bit more for my milk.

Ley253 · Aug 31, 2018

Pheasant Surprise said:
So not one positive or useful thing about it? That’s tragic.

Really? I think the tragic thing is that if it stopped working tomorrow most people would have no idea as to how they would survive.

Mur Huwcun · Aug 31, 2018

Y Fan Wen said:
It is so, so much easier to find things you want to buy.

And unfortunately while we all do this the shop in town has just closed down!!!

Paddington · Aug 31, 2018

Tarw Coch said:
Whenever I hear the government going on about improved internet/broadband speeds it reminds me of the Romans.
They used to say that whenever the people of Rome got restless they’d make a big thing of feeding a few more Christians to the lions, it served no useful purpose in improving their lives but seemed to keep them quiet for a while.
It seems the same with our government make a big thing of better/faster broadband and it seems to keep people happy.
I keep hearing how important better broadband is for farmers, personally I’d prefer a bit more for my milk.

What have the Romans ever done for us ?

FonterraFarmer · Aug 31, 2018

Tarw Coch said:
Such things have been covered in science fiction, the terminator films and I think it was die hard 4, in sure there will be others , science fiction or science fact?
No doubt a lot of fiction but just like technology can be used for good some will be looking at other possibilities.

Science fiction or science fact, I find the assumption and concensus of the fact of life in outer space is not based on any fact or proof but merely the imagination of people.

FonterraFarmer · Aug 31, 2018

Clive said:
this is why I still have good old fashioned gates , a big electricity generator and large fuel store, a good stock of food and a gun cabinet !

Push the boundaries of technology, yet still have a old fashioned "plan b"

Pheasant Surprise · Aug 31, 2018

FonterraFarmer said:
Science fiction or science fact, I find the assumption and concensus of the fact of life in outer space is not based on any fact or proof but merely the imagination of people.

I thinks it’s simply numbers (vast numbers of stars we can’t even get our minds around) and simple probability.

Pheasant Surprise · Aug 31, 2018

76masseyman · Aug 31, 2018

ARW said:
Jazz mags would still be a thing

Still are !

Easier to hide them than hide my browsing history at times !!

Old Boar · Aug 31, 2018

How did we manage? Well, we had books. We looked things up in an encyclopedia for facts, we asked people who may know. We studied previous writings and we used our brains to sort out the facts we read.
If we wanted faster communication, we walked to the village phone box or we wrote a letter. We knew how to spell, we knew critical thinking, we pondered, we took our time. We inwardly digested. We had the BBC for news which we believed as it gave us facts not opinions.
If we wanted a handful of nails or a new tyre, we went to the local shop. The one near here sold everything from mouse traps to jeans, tilly lamps to cement, cow nuts to carpets. Now closed. Along with the cow nuts, we got conversation, gossip, friendship and names of people who had other things to sell, stuff that cements a community together.

The internet is a tool. What we do with it is up to us. It is a brilliant tool, or can be a shallow tool. We can use it to further knowledge or we can use it to send dick pics. I do feel it has lessened the art of communication, but acknowlege the speed of business communication has become much more efficient.

I dont own an app. I have no signal. My broadband is below half a mg. This is only a problem as others expect to be able to send me a text and get a reply, or download something.

Maybe because of my lack of access, it gives me a bit of a perspective on it. Yes, it is a brilliant invention, but one that has to be handled carefully.

manhill · Aug 31, 2018

jellybean said:
Talking about sensors in machines, I am currently hiring a tracked dumper to shift soil back up a steep hill. I have a fence line that runs straight up and down and over the years the deer have loosened the soil and its slid downhill.
So in the dumper there is an inclinometer tucked away down by my ankle; a simple pendulum with a graduated scale.H
Going up the hill with a big load I was watching the front of the dumper beginning to
lift; glanced down at the inclinometer and it was already off the scale i.e 30 degrees and I hadn't got to the worst bit yet!

Keep it to yourself or some bright spark will want to change it to a digital sensor and readout that you won't be able to see in bright sunlight. It will have to be powered via a multiplug with iffy terminals and that will be it up to date.

Danllan · Aug 31, 2018

FonterraFarmer said:
Science fiction or science fact, I find the assumption and concensus of the fact of life in outer space is not based on any fact or proof but merely the imagination of people.

True, yet it's still a rational thing to assume despite being, for now, a theory in the vernacular rather than the scientific sense. In any case it is far, far more rational than believing in any religion.

Y Fan Wen · Aug 31, 2018

M-J-G said:
I used to get all I needed before the internet was around, and I don't recall thinking that I could have done with some easier way to find things.

When I think of the effort and time my father put into finding a supplier of micro hydro sets in the 70s, I'm afraid I don't agree.
Even today, I have the choice of going into town, visiting 3 different builders merchants, and coming away with, not what I want, but what I think might do the job. Alternatively, I can spend some time on ebay and get exactly what I want in 48 hours.
None of us thought that there was an easier way of getting things because no one foresaw the internet. I have been an enthusiastic sf reader since the early 60s. Only one author partially anticipated it and called it Comweb, which wasn't a bad attempt when you think about it. He reckoned it would take half an hour to transmit a message. Isaac Asimov, a well known author, anticipated the arrival of email, but fell far short in 1966 where you would type out a letter, take it to the post office where it would be fed into a machine, transmitted over the phone system, printed out at the receiving po and delivered.

Y Fan Wen · Aug 31, 2018

Mur Huwcun said:
And unfortunately while we all do this the shop in town has just closed down!!!

Siop Fawr?

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