Selectamatic
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Are the Welsh Ploughing results available to see yet?
Welsh Ploughing Results
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Fergie Ploughman
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- Cheshire, UK
Judging by some pics, Rich Ingram mounted, John Cole classic...
cropmaster
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Wel blowing my own trumpet I am representing wales in the world match in America next year (reversible)Are the Welsh Ploughing results available to see yet?
- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
Do you want me to come and pull your sticks out for you?
How did Clive get on?
How did Clive get on?
Fergie Ploughman
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I saw Clive in a pic so he must have gone up to collect something!
Fergie Ploughman
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Well done, I saw you in a pic as well!
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- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
Apparently Clive did VERY well - has finally taken on board my comments on his ins/outs
- has finally taken on board my comments on his ins/outs Came 13th overall, congratulations to Andrew Mitchell senior on winning conventional class, not many have managed to win both classes, another disappointing performance from the England team.
Would you have a clue why and could you offer a solution?
Dealer
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The why is because they did not perform
The solution
Form a management team to run the job
Select the top 6 Englishman from each discipline at spend time trying new techniques and spend money on equipment that is owned by the team so anyone can use it to represent the country
Selecting the representative from one match over 2 days does not always guarantee the best man goes forward as it can be manipulated to easily
The world style in England is to small so they are not pushed to get better
Take the vintage classes its a growing pool do as the older ones leave the younger guys are ready to step up
My short term suggestion would be get Ashley Boyles and Billy Perkiss and send they to the next 3 world matches and concentrate on getting them the best you can.
Suggest team managers would be former top men
Set up a dedicated workshop (sponsor by a plough manufacture)?
Food for thought but it won't happen because the current system provides the chosen few with a holiday or to each year.
The solution
Form a management team to run the job
Select the top 6 Englishman from each discipline at spend time trying new techniques and spend money on equipment that is owned by the team so anyone can use it to represent the country
Selecting the representative from one match over 2 days does not always guarantee the best man goes forward as it can be manipulated to easily
The world style in England is to small so they are not pushed to get better
Take the vintage classes its a growing pool do as the older ones leave the younger guys are ready to step up
My short term suggestion would be get Ashley Boyles and Billy Perkiss and send they to the next 3 world matches and concentrate on getting them the best you can.
Suggest team managers would be former top men
Set up a dedicated workshop (sponsor by a plough manufacture)?
Food for thought but it won't happen because the current system provides the chosen few with a holiday or to each year.
The "Holiday" you mentioned, cost an estimated ten grand, according to one english competitor!
From the photos I have seen, the match plots were a disgrace, the land found for pre official practise was far better, shades of York here, then the problem was stones. As the grass then had been planted especially for the world match I cannot believe those stones were unknown.World ploughing needs to get its act in order, asking competitors to plough across what resembled ridge and furrow is frankly not good enough.
Only the ploughmen have to pay, not the coaches, and the land is the same for them all, as for stones at york they were all were the old hedge lines had been, so it was a bit of look of the draw.
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As Dealer mentions above - one of the main issues is a lack of competition. In order to be the best you have to compete against the best. The British National ploughing match should allow entries from Scotland and N Ireland and I would allow other countries as well so that the level of competition is raised - happened once I believe in Cumbria(?) but the drubbing the English competitors got meant KC was never going to be humiliated like that again and so visitors are barred!!
Dealer
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Sorry should have made it clear about the holiday bit was not having a go at the ploughmen
On reflection I am not that concerned about the world match as I have little interest in the world style events other than the few guys I know who plough in it.
It's nice to know how they got on
As my post above also should have pointed out that all costs should be met by the team why should the competitors have to fund the cost this perhaps would encourage others to enter I often wonder if the winners at the national are based around the willingness and ability to travel to the worlds
As for the plots and pictures the better men should cope with the bad plots easier than a lesser man can.
Look at some of the scores nr the bottom these guys probably would not win a local match never mind a world match so in effect you only have 2/3rds of the field to beat.
I will never be good enough to represent England but can see as others can that the current system is not working
Make it compulsory for qualifying for the national this will at least make the world style guys enter local matches
Take cruckton match last year a qualifying match for vintage but no world style conventional entries and only 3 reversible ploughman
Where,s the talent pool going to come from in the future?.
On reflection I am not that concerned about the world match as I have little interest in the world style events other than the few guys I know who plough in it.
It's nice to know how they got on
As my post above also should have pointed out that all costs should be met by the team why should the competitors have to fund the cost this perhaps would encourage others to enter I often wonder if the winners at the national are based around the willingness and ability to travel to the worlds
As for the plots and pictures the better men should cope with the bad plots easier than a lesser man can.
Look at some of the scores nr the bottom these guys probably would not win a local match never mind a world match so in effect you only have 2/3rds of the field to beat.
I will never be good enough to represent England but can see as others can that the current system is not working
Make it compulsory for qualifying for the national this will at least make the world style guys enter local matches
Take cruckton match last year a qualifying match for vintage but no world style conventional entries and only 3 reversible ploughman
Where,s the talent pool going to come from in the future?.
Lurker
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I like ROI's county champion system putting forward competitors representing their county to the national match, but with some tweaks putting up to two competitors forward for each class and making it the exact same system for all classes for the county match entrants from outside that county would be able to enter but not eligible to be put forward to represent that county unless there is only 5 or less entrants for that class.
And congrats to all we took the time and effort to represent their country at the worlds, special mention to Northern Ireland competitors for doing so well on their for visit in particular Andrew Gill as it was borrowed equipment that was used as he didn't ship his own.
Perhaps Russia's national could provide food for thought as they all use the same kit supplied by a manufacturer, that would give our youth something to use and perhaps the same manufacturer could provide equipment to try and bring on our youth at organised training days. But you cant really just think of the youth all of us have a potential so regardless of age and lets face it most of us in vintage or classic would jump at a chance to have a go at world style kit of we got the chance for free.
The only true way forward is like F1 were the big teams have there own young drivers development programme something similar by tractor and plough manufacturers industry somehow has to be the answer where they could mentor, follow each competitor at matches in whichever class using the competitors own kit then invite some to dedicated training days with world style kit provided etc you get the general idea I'm sure.
Lurker
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I believe anybody can enter the world style classes at the British National no matter what there nationality or were they permanently reside, same goes for the vintage and classic classes but that have to be the highest placed competitor at a qualifier match who hasn't already qualified already.
So, the most important people pay! The stones were known about, but didnt matter!(to the organisers)How on earth does that make it right? The land is the same for them all, but subject to the luck of the draw? One or the other please! As things are, they would hold the match on a landfill site! Oh hang on that was done nr Litchfield I think, though only for the national.
Utopia would be a designated site, can you help, Mr Dyson? All major sporting events manage this, F1 Silverstone, Tennis, Wimbledon etc etc.
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