SilliamWhale
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Is it economically repairable if it goes wrong?
Fendt depreciation per hour
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Is it economically repairable if it goes wrong?
£2/hr according to your way of working things out is what it did and we all know that is not realistic.
Pheasant Surprise
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- Woodbridge, Suffolk
Unless your “lucky” enough to have an easily replaceable component fail - able to be fixed by someone like DKE then once they are “end of life” by the manufacturer then the answer is really no.
SilliamWhale
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If you buy new then between year 0 and year 1 you probably get a depreciation loss over and above the machines productive capacity unless you whack 1500 hours on it. That's how the machinery industry makes its profit. Someone has to pay over the production costs of a machine.
What you are buying is a theoretical or otherwise security of reliability
What you are buying is a theoretical or otherwise security of reliability
No idea, it’s never happened yet
I suspect 10-15yrs is as old as it gets as new tech will have moved on and created a case to upgrade like auto turn right now for example and ultimately driverless
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
be wary about taking Fendts to high hours clive, the vario transmission is very expensive to fix i know of someone who got badly burned with his fendt, not long after the transmission was fixed something to do with a piston went wrong inside the engine, id shift them at 8khrs max
Spencer
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Is that from YOUR extensive experience of owning and running Fendts to high hours ? Or as you quite openly post, “I know someone”! Just twaddle regurgitated time and time again mostly by people who’ve never driven one let alone owned one. Machines break, shocking I know, but it’s far from the norm. How often do we here that every JD has had a head gasket? Same old boring story! Unfortunately no one wants to here about how many hours of reliable work a tractor has done, there’s no news like bad news as they say......
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
the best way to find out the common faults is to speak to a mechanic which i have done and they tell me fendts break down the same as every other tractor but the vario transmission is the main concern at high hoursIs that from YOUR extensive experience of owning and running Fendts to high hours ? Or as you quite openly post, “I know someone”! Just twaddle regurgitated time and time again mostly by people who’ve never driven one let alone owned one. Machines break, shocking I know, but it’s far from the norm. How often do we here that every JD has had a head gasket? Same old boring story! Unfortunately no one wants to here about how many hours of reliable work a tractor has done, there’s no news like bad news as they say......
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
owning a couple of fendts and running them is not much of a sample for analysis, could get lucky or unluckyIs that from YOUR extensive experience of owning and running Fendts to high hours ? Or as you quite openly post, “I know someone”! Just twaddle regurgitated time and time again mostly by people who’ve never driven one let alone owned one. Machines break, shocking I know, but it’s far from the norm. How often do we here that every JD has had a head gasket? Same old boring story! Unfortunately no one wants to here about how many hours of reliable work a tractor has done, there’s no news like bad news as they say......
Is there not online calculator for tractor direct operating cost ?
It seems many are not taking every cost into account, such as set aside for overhaul and final value at say 10 or 12k hours , I`ve been involved in aviation and find this calculator interesting ,
http://www.johnpmorgan.com/helicopter-cost-calculator
Also factor in finance costs , uninsurable damage etc and I`d wager some contractors are at best barely breaking even .
It seems many are not taking every cost into account, such as set aside for overhaul and final value at say 10 or 12k hours , I`ve been involved in aviation and find this calculator interesting ,
http://www.johnpmorgan.com/helicopter-cost-calculator
Also factor in finance costs , uninsurable damage etc and I`d wager some contractors are at best barely breaking even .
Spencer
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- North West
Or you could of owned and operated them for 25k hours with full main dealer servicing, talking to mechanics who look after them. Who have also said that the ones driven by owner operators who PAY the bills seem to be far more reliable! One here coming up to 10k hours from new with us. Full service history and never given a thought of Vario going. If it does it will be fixed
So new tractor at what £130-140k or new vario at say 10k and new engine for a further 8k. still be a lot cheaper than swapping even a 5 year old tractor in for new from what i've read on here.
only thing i would say about running stuff to old age and higher hours is it's often prudent to have a bit of spare capacity. So when breakdowns occur things can be swapped round and carry on to get the job done.
There's always going to be either finance payments, depreciation or repairs to pay with machinery. It's just working out which one to go for.
only thing i would say about running stuff to old age and higher hours is it's often prudent to have a bit of spare capacity. So when breakdowns occur things can be swapped round and carry on to get the job done.
There's always going to be either finance payments, depreciation or repairs to pay with machinery. It's just working out which one to go for.
Depends on how hard their life is and how well you maintain them
I’ve heard of tractors that have done 20k hours without vario issues
Our tractors get an easy life - serviced ecactly by the book, always working on top and everything trailed and never see mud ! They have been almost bomb proof so far so expect a lot more relatively trouble free hours yet
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Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
One of problems is second hand values aren't rising in line with new prices.
We just kept our old tractor last time we changed. Not under pressure to pay dealer £70/hr to fix it if new one brakes down. Just hitch on the old one and get man in van out. Handy to have tractors sitting on balers etc at harvest when weather catchy.
We just kept our old tractor last time we changed. Not under pressure to pay dealer £70/hr to fix it if new one brakes down. Just hitch on the old one and get man in van out. Handy to have tractors sitting on balers etc at harvest when weather catchy.
3 tractors, 1-1/2 drivers here. could manage with 2 but they would do more hours per tractor and would need replacing more often so happy to run 3 older higher houred ones. Breakdowns are rare and the ability to leave stuff hitched on ready to go makes life easy.
I had a930 drop a valve and caused a lot damage/expense @ 4800hrs it had also had a new Vario fitted at 2500hrs (previous owner)Is that from YOUR extensive experience of owning and running Fendts to high hours ? Or as you quite openly post, “I know someone”! Just twaddle regurgitated time and time again mostly by people who’ve never driven one let alone owned one. Machines break, shocking I know, but it’s far from the norm. How often do we here that every JD has had a head gasket? Same old boring story! Unfortunately no one wants to here about how many hours of reliable work a tractor has done, there’s no news like bad news as they say......
So what was the reason for vario failure? At 2500hrs? manufacturing fault or driver abuse?
I don’t know like I put it was with previous owner
Speedstar
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- Scottish Borders
Biggest problem is people driving them wrong , stick mode on the road is not good for them or running them in 2 gear in th field , would rather have a fendt vario box in a tractor than a Dyna 6 box as the fendt one in 200hp + tractors will be a lot cheaper to run
Operator lack of training/care then.
I can see a future where everything will be a lot more cartridge like for easy replacement. Electric motor drive will make it better as well. Although currently things are going in a different more complicated route.