Another farmer co-op goes under

Iben

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Fife
Scotch whiskey must have Scottish water, where the barley comes from is irrelevant to them.

Budweiser beer, brewed in england must have american barley, but to them the water is irrelevant.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
Scotch whiskey must have Scottish water, where the barley comes from is irrelevant to them.

Budweiser beer, brewed in england must have american barley, but to them the water is irrelevant.

Budweiser brew with British barley and have some good farmer links with their suppliers. Not sure the rice comes from UK though :p:ROFLMAO:
 

Happy

Member
Location
Scotland
Do the Scottish whisky producers have to use Scottish corn?
If not why haven't Scottish farmers made a bit more of this like Cornwall have with their pasties and cheddar with their cheese

There has been a campaign about this but not sure at what stage it’s at.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-...d-perthshire-edition/20170805/282613147868845

Amazing what the maltsters are taking in this year when they can’t get supplies from other countries. 2%N stuff being bought at the end of the season as over contract tonnage on under 1.6N contracts.

Had my first £6500 lorry load of barley this harvest. Can’t see that happening again for a long time unless we get pgi status.
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
That depends what you compare it to

I was making a tidy profit and good ROI at that price
The increase in value of grain would surely more than cover cost of storage.
There has been a campaign about this but not sure at what stage it’s at.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-...d-perthshire-edition/20170805/282613147868845

Amazing what the maltsters are taking in this year when they can’t get supplies from other countries. 2%N stuff being bought at the end of the season as over contract tonnage on under 1.6N contracts.

Had my first £6500 lorry load of barley this harvest. Can’t see that happening again for a long time unless we get pgi status.

They don't want our high N malting barley! Have about 180t of 1.9-1.95N concerto sitting in store. Looks like it will be feed.

Was offered £170/t for it to go to alloa! I declined, could get the same for feed with no chance of it being rejected for germination issues.
 

Iben

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Fife
The increase in value of grain would surely more than cover cost of storage.


They don't want our high N malting barley! Have about 180t of 1.9-1.95N concerto sitting in store. Looks like it will be feed.

Was offered £170/t for it to go to alloa! I declined, could get the same for feed with no chance of it being rejected for germination issues.

You are as well selling/using it for feed. Heard of folk around here pleased that the maltsters took 1.9N, only to find they only got feed price anyway. Sometimes with deductions
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands

Iben

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Fife
Operating for twelve years and big losses in the last two. Building commercial storage shouldn't create such losses? Unless writing it off quickly?

Where have the losses come from?
 

Cowcorn

Member
Mixed Farmer
Any co-op can be a success if the shareholders appoint a strong board to oversee managment and ensure that members intrests are proteced
Nodding dogs and self servers on the board will lead to problems. Some of the biggest milk companies in europe are farmer owned an by and large have benefited and protected members. Grain could be the same if all involved were comitted to it
 

Renaultman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
Any co-op can be a success if the shareholders appoint a strong board to oversee managment and ensure that members intrests are proteced
Nodding dogs and self servers on the board will lead to problems. Some of the biggest milk companies in europe are farmer owned an by and large have benefited and protected members. Grain could be the same if all involved were comitted to it
This! One of my local ones, the writing was on the wall for years the MD was selling off the family silver year on year. Now they are no more, a really good company gone. Do I blame the MD? Yes, but the directors some I count as friends allowed it to happen.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
This! One of my local ones, the writing was on the wall for years the MD was selling off the family silver year on year. Now they are no more, a really good company gone. Do I blame the MD? Yes, but the directors some I count as friends allowed it to happen.

And therein lies the problem. Directors are often “invited” to be directors of Farm coops. Rarely are they put forward independently by the members. So the MD, CEO whatever and Chairman select “good sorts” who will tow the line and not be too problematic. Add in some nice lunches and key supplier days and it’s a cosy little relationship ...... until it all goes wrong.
Now I can think of a failed coop :rolleyes::whistle: key question is did the CEO lead the Board or the Board lead the CEO?
I still don’t have the definitive answer ..... but I’ve a good idea :whistle:
 

Cowcorn

Member
Mixed Farmer
And therein lies the problem. Directors are often “invited” to be directors of Farm coops. Rarely are they put forward independently by the members. So the MD, CEO whatever and Chairman select “good sorts” who will tow the line and not be too problematic. Add in some nice lunches and key supplier days and it’s a cosy little relationship ...... until it all goes wrong.
Now I can think of a failed coop :rolleyes::whistle: key question is did the CEO lead the Board or the Board lead the CEO?
I still don’t have the definitive answer ..... but I’ve a good idea :whistle:
That scenario is when things go wrong Directors should be elected not invited and should be limited to a term and face relection for a second term with no third term
Then new blood would be involved. There is economic benefits from central storage but unless the benifits trickle down to the members and buying in is reasonable then the venture will have an uphill battle.
 

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