it's not over
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Will this ring true
Irish Border post Brexit
- Thread starter essexpete
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TM signed a agreement that there would be no hard border,what was she doing agreeing to that and going back looking to get out of that now is so childish .She has the country mortified.
It’s outdated I’m afraid.
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- Bay of Plenty NZ
I'm watching. The EU will let you walk without a deal, they would prefer one but in the event of one not forthcoming they will let you walk. If Farage is your only hope you really are well and truly fuc&ed.
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- Northern Ireland
Funnily enough in the rest of his address to the Lords that day, many other lines may be found to ring true.
" It is a British characteristic, though not an amiable one, that once we are beaten we go over in a body to the successful enemy, and too often abandon and cold-shoulder and snub, both in action and writing, the suffering few who adhere to our cause in evil and difficult times. "
And from the same paragraph as Z's quote -
"And of all the men in my experience that I think are the most loathsome it is those who will sell their friends for the purpose of conciliating their enemies..."
Shame on @warksfarmer !
warksfarmer
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Funnily enough in the rest of his address to the Lords that day, many other lines may be found to ring true.
" It is a British characteristic, though not an amiable one, that once we are beaten we go over in a body to the successful enemy, and too often abandon and cold-shoulder and snub, both in action and writing, the suffering few who adhere to our cause in evil and difficult times. "
And from the same paragraph as Z's quote -
"And of all the men in my experience that I think are the most loathsome it is those who will sell their friends for the purpose of conciliating their enemies..."
Shame on @warksfarmer !
I’m just saying what over 17 million think. Ireland and its historical internal wars are irrelevant for our futures. We don’t care about it much like nobody cares about the British empires history.
I am not sure how you can assume the right to speak for 17 million people. Where did you get that from ??
Those who voted leave were trying to establish their democratic right just as the people of NI and the ROI have a democratic right.It is better that they exercise that democratic right rather than resorting to terrorism. The great pity is that a few hot heads 100 years ago decided that the way forward was to gain independence at the time without the backing of the people by starting a fight. Division may have been inevitable, we will never know, but it was never achieved by democratic process even if that was possible at the time.
The sad fact remains that we cannot stoke a conflict where a small terrorist element are spoiling for a fight again
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Spot on.
I think that's plain wrong. Do you not know how Ireland's 'historical internal wars' came about? Why, as a result of the rich tapestry of interaction between the people's of these Isles, of course. Yes, often as the result of the paths chosen by English and Scottish Kings and Queens a very long time ago, not least the Normans.
I don't intend to speculate on whether any of that was right or wrong here - but to say clearly that our presents and our futures are inextricably linked by our shared past. This is our inheritance, and we should each deal with that inheritance in a responsible way, rather than taking the instinctively selfish route when the going gets a little bit tough.
I think that's plain wrong. Do you not know how Ireland's 'historical internal wars' came about? Why, as a result of the rich tapestry of interaction between the people's of these Isles, of course. Yes, often as the result of the paths chosen by English and Scottish Kings and Queens a very long time ago, not least the Normans.
I don't intend to speculate on whether any of that was right or wrong here - but to say clearly that our presents and our futures are inextricably linked by our shared past. This is our inheritance, and we should each deal with that inheritance in a responsible way, rather than taking the instinctively selfish route when the going gets a little bit tough.
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The real issue now isn’t terrorists in the traditional sense, but economic terrorists. Willing to drag the whole country under for 50 years.
Yes. Sinn Fein would try to ruin us economically where their fore runners the IRA could not do it by terrorism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Charlie_Haughey
While the vast majority of people in the ROI are decent and honest, why is it that they invariably end up with Politicians who don't posses the same traits?
While the vast majority of people in the ROI are decent and honest, why is it that they invariably end up with Politicians who don't posses the same traits?
Sometimes you inadvertently walk on dog pooh, and bring it in the house. Her inside soon sorts you out, and blasts the floor with strong disinfectant.
As you saw in the link you posted, we got the stench and sorted them out fairly lively.
Of course we haven’t (yet), gotten to the other side of the border, with disinfectant. There’s a funny guy called Ian, swanning around Ballymena who makes Charlie Haughey look like Mother Teresa.
Badly needs a colonic irrigation with undiluted Jeyes Fluid at the next election. Preferably with s high pressure hose. But, you know what, unlike the electorate in ROI who would apply the hose st election time, the good, holy and righteous will forgive him .....
Now, his dear leader the First Lady of Fermanagh and a whole gang of the party had a right old time with their snouts in the trough burning ash..... will you drop them .... nah ..... didn’t think so.....
warksfarmer
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The problem is those 17 million people aren’t getting what they voted for due to Ireland. They’ll soon drop Ireland to leave properly.
M-J-G
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Aye because UK politicians through the years are such fine examples of honesty and decency.
M-J-G
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Despite it being my homeland, I've always said that NI is a stone in the boot of the UK.
No resources to speak of, and has cost a fortune to police.
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All religion fiction ? Funny i would have thought that a lot of science was fiction constantly changing and a lot of theories that are unproveable and full of holes.
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It has in the past and continues to export lots of talent to the mainland, thanks partly to the troubles. Retaining free grammar education long after England sees it top of the tables every year. Sadly due to the hostile environment created by the IRA, most of them never returned, contributing to demographic change that may kill the union at some point in the future.
There's no way of knowing how Northern Ireland could have developed if the IRA had not decided to destroy everything it could put a bomb under from 1969. Few of us doubt that it could have been a skills powerhouse by now if everyone had put their shoulder to the wheel instead of tearing brick from brick, like what Belfast was at the turn of the last century.
If you've nothing good to say about your home, say nothing. I'm sure it's as exciting as Ayr, or wherever it is you live these days.
You know you make a point. If EVERYBODY had the opportunity to put their shoulder to the wheel things might have been different.
The NI troubles broke out as a result of police brutality on civil rights marchers, marching for basic human and civil rights.
NI was a filthy racist cesspit run by unionists for unionists. Known terrorists like John Hume, Paddy Devlin, Austin Currie, etc, picked up a placard, and called it out. Never forget!!!!
it's not over
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The problem with ni is it's history only started after 69,before that it was a land if milk and honey
M-J-G
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Funnily many from home can't think their way much further than Ayr
I think its a marching thing, either that or they just enjoy the rain too much.I managed to make it to Edinburgh, more cosmopolitan and a lot drier over on the East
Facts aren't popular, but I won't say nothing simply because my opinion isn't popular with some who are precious about what I offer said opinion on.
The education system could theoretically be applied anywhere so is not exclusively an asset that NI brings to the table.
People don't return after they move away because wages are poorer and there are less opportunities in both work and social life. Ask anyone on any smaller island what's happening with its younger generations, many leave and don't return, usually heading for bigger centres of population in bigger countries.
I won't defend terrorists of loyalist or republican persuasion, but the limitations caused by countries lack of scale and natural resources can't be layed at the feet of the group of tyrannical politicians who kept the merry go round (that was the troubles) turning.
Only energy or mineral reserves would interest the UK, but that's generally the case with any country.