Project Xerion.

Cab-over Pete · May 8, 2019

No, not with an Agricultural Machine

sawdust · May 8, 2019

@Cab-over Pete If the bits ever come available, are you going to carry on with the conversion or is "Type Approval" still going to be the achilles heel of the whole operation?

Kevtherev · May 8, 2019

Can you tow with a lorry type spreader legally???
Or is it too classed as ag machine?

Cab-over Pete · May 8, 2019

Kev, I would have loved a Stahly Peterbilt, absolutely beautiful.

I briefly looked into one, but they are really wide and yes, classed as ag Machine

Cab-over Pete · May 8, 2019

sawdust said:
@Cab-over Pete If the bits ever come available, are you going to carry on with the conversion or is "Type Approval" still going to be the achilles heel of the whole operation?

Very undecided just now.

Renaultman · May 8, 2019

Cab-over Pete said:
Anything classed as an Agricultural Machine can’t tow any trailer on the road. So sp spreaders, sprayers etc cant tow trailers. The only exception is a combine and that can only tow it’s own header. No empty trailers, no fuel bowsers, nothing else.

So I need a machine classed as a tractor. I don’t want a tractor and trailed spreader. We are known for travelling as light as possible on the land and you can’t do that with a tractor and trailed spreader. So I need a self propelled machine classed as a tractor that can legally pull a trailer with the Loadall on.

Enter the Xerion.

But no tractor at all can tow any trailer if it’s over 3 metres wide. They can tow implements with an escort, but not trailers in a truly self contained one man outfit.

Hence my huge efforts to find the right tractor with the right wheels and tyres to squeeze under 3 metres and still travel well in crab steer with the best flexion tyres I can find. There is nothing else that ticks all those boxes.

Can you tow 750kg trailers? No help to you I know but see a few with small trailers for sprays etc

Cab-over Pete · May 8, 2019

I don’t know to be honest

Blue. · May 8, 2019

Fendt516profi said:
Don't believe its legal to tow the 2nd trailer loaded and a right pia to drop spreader off hitch low loader up load handler then hitch spreader on back then do the reverse at next farm

No need for 2nd loader.

Cab-over Pete said:
Three wheels running on the same piece of ground? Front wheel, rear wheel, spreader wheel. No thanks.

I’m not going round in circles again and again about my choice of spreader. I use a self propelled machine with the biggest and best tyres I can buy. And it needs to be legal on the road. No discussion required.

Not being funny with you by any means, it’s just been done to death!!!

Fastcrap with loader in crab steer with offset drawbar on spreader would have wheels all in different track.

There are other options,I think you’ve made the right decision with the saddle trac,personally I’d go the tractor route as I see the saddle trac as a one trick pony (well once converted).

Cab-over Pete · May 8, 2019

It is.

But then I only need it to perform one trick.

Kevtherev · May 8, 2019

That’s got pete written all over it

KennyO · May 8, 2019

I certainly prefer self propelled spreaders coming here. Our contractors have two multidrive spreaders and one trailed one. The tractor and trailed spreader make more mess when it is soft.

Could you load with a big tractor loader and then tow you self propelled spreader on a low loader behind tractor between jobs?
Sorry Pete I know you have already looked at every possible option.

Cab-over Pete · May 8, 2019

You can’t tow a wide spreader on a trailer. That becomes a wide load rather than a wide vehicle and that is a whole other massive can of worms I DO NOT want to get amongst!!!

Cab-over Pete · May 8, 2019

Kevtherev said:
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That’s got pete written all over it

I’d love that, but JCB don’t!! I’ve never spoken to a JCB man in the UK who likes that idea.

Fendt516profi · May 9, 2019

Can you not fit a hiab with clamshell bucket on your spreader no need to tow anything?

Cab-over Pete · May 9, 2019

I looked at that but because you need to mount it high and you also need reach to load, the crane required would be massive.

Fendt516profi · May 9, 2019

I thought it would be a option you'd already investigated. Once saw a chap using something like one of these

with a clamshell bucket to load a self propelled spreader. Then just hooked it on back and drove away (don't know if he was legal)

mo! · May 9, 2019

Maybe something like a self loading feeder wagon. More weight while spreading but you would load faster so you'd be able to get away with less capacity so less weight.

Tompkins · May 9, 2019

https://www.profi.co.uk/news/terra-variant-bredal-spreader

(I know it's not a 'tractor')

Gerbert · May 9, 2019

You guys should look up the importing a machine from the USA thread. Everyting you can and can't think of had been suggested.

ollie989898 · May 9, 2019

mo! said:
Maybe something like a self loading feeder wagon. More weight while spreading but you would load faster so you'd be able to get away with less capacity so less weight.

I don't know why that hasn't been done before. A self loading machine would make it a one man operation and far simpler than dragging a telehandler everywhere. The conveyor system on a those self propelled feeder wagons would be able to suck up bulk lime as easy as any bucket.

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