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pappuller · Aug 28, 2019

jimmer said:
Put an extra litre of circulation cleaner in with your wash cycle on tank

I've heard that somewhere before.....

vantage · Aug 28, 2019

jimmer said:
Put an extra litre of circulation cleaner in with your wash cycle on tank

Thought @Bald Rick had a silo, which from other threads can be another can of worms!

Beef farmer · Aug 28, 2019

Bypass plate cooler.

Bald Rick · Aug 28, 2019

vantage said:
Thought @Bald Rick had a silo, which from other threads can be another can of worms!

We do. Engineer swears it’s clean and it does smell so. Going to strip down all the buckles though and I am always suspicious of sampler points

Milkcow365 · Aug 28, 2019

Last 20 acres baled and that’s the cereal harvest finished

jimmer · Aug 28, 2019

vantage said:
Thought @Bald Rick had a silo, which from other threads can be another can of worms!

Even more reason to
I used to have a 20k silo, and it was a monthly routine

jimmer · Aug 28, 2019

Bald Rick said:
We do. Engineer swears it’s clean and it does smell so. Going to strip down all the buckles though and I am always suspicious of sampler points

If we had our milk payments based on smell colour and appearance, things would be a bit different

Holsteinfriesian90 · Aug 28, 2019

Thomas-milmain said:
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Last 20 acres baled and that’s the cereal harvest finished

Which one does the best bale then McHale or claas?

frederick · Aug 28, 2019

PercyBlakeney said:
Do the new red tractor rules that come into play in October not now mean that most herds that are breeding their own replacements will have to be testing for Johnes - assuming they are feeding herd replacements colostrum?

Think you will find all farms will have to test.
This wont be to stop new animals being infected it will be to stop infected cows going into the tank.

Milkcow365 · Aug 28, 2019

Holsteinfriesian90 said:
Which one does the best bale then McHale or claas?

Mchale far better bale,

Grassman247 · Aug 28, 2019

Bald Rick said:
We do. Engineer swears it’s clean and it does smell so. Going to strip down all the buckles though and I am always suspicious of sampler points

I’ve got a silo and it’s spot on to be fair, the packo auto wash unit for it on the other hand is rubbish, have local fullwood electricians come and service it every 6 months now.

If my bacto ever jumps up we go in this order

Tanker driver + sample tap
Tank + tank wash
Parlour

Every single time it’s been a tanker driver issue. Our milk supplier doesn’t have in line sampling and we have yet to find a good solution to a sample tap which washes well. Incidentally I have a picture of the driver with his finger inside the sample pot before taking the sample.

Has anyone got a good sampling routine for silo’s?

vantage · Aug 28, 2019

Grassman247 said:
Has anyone got a good sampling routine for silo’s?

Yes. If said tanker driver sticks his finger in the pot again pre sample ,tell him that the sample will be taken out of the top of the silo, with him suspended upside down by his laces to get it!

coomoo · Aug 29, 2019

Bald Rick said:
We do. Engineer swears it’s clean and it does smell so. Going to strip down all the buckles though and I am always suspicious of sampler points

Have a quick look how clean hot water tank is had a problem with this before washing bulk tank. Non return on hot water pipe fixed it. Simple check.

Princess Pooper · Aug 29, 2019

vantage said:
I wasn’t aware of this. We started testing this spring and summer, fitting in between Tb tests,allowing 60 days between Tb testing and Johnes testing. Until this last twelve months we had never had a Johnes case, this last year 5 have died or been sent off. We have had a closed herd for 15 years, beef bulls only from high health attested herd , so can only assume it has come in via slurry kit from contractor. First milk test revealed about 10 reds.

how did you know you'd never had a Johnes case before now it you've only just started sampling? We'e been milk testing for 5 years and have a low level of Johnes, these are normally culled after two positive tests. We have never had a ''sick cow' that the vet has tested for Johnes come back positive.

Princess Pooper · Aug 29, 2019

PercyBlakeney said:
Do the new red tractor rules that come into play in October not now mean that most herds that are breeding their own replacements will have to be testing for Johnes - assuming they are feeding herd replacements colostrum?

surely everyone should be testing for Johnes, whether bought in or home-reared replacements? Also, there is increasing evidence of in-utero infection, and colostrum may be less of an issue than previously thought (and it was really the chance of faecal contamination of the colostrum that was the issue).

lazy farmer · Aug 29, 2019

Princess Pooper said:
surely everyone should be testing for Johnes, whether bought in or home-reared replacements? Also, there is increasing evidence of in-utero infection, and colostrum may be less of an issue than previously thought (and it was really the chance of faecal contamination of the colostrum that was the issue).

Yes and even from calf to calf In the fist few days of life.
Considering we have batch feed colostrum until the last 2 yrs. we really should have higher levels than we do. I’m convinced our Johnes came from the period when we calved on sand and contamination through faeces would have been very easy.
Now we have gone back to using oodles of straw and continuing to remove calves as soon as thy stand we have seen our first group of heifers come through without us seeing any reds For a number of yrs.

vantage · Aug 29, 2019

Princess Pooper said:
how did you know you'd never had a Johnes case before now it you've only just started sampling? We'e been milk testing for 5 years and have a low level of Johnes, these are normally culled after two positive tests. We have never had a ''sick cow' that the vet has tested for Johnes come back positive.

Never had a cow go downhill so fast and scour, five in last year.

organicguy · Aug 29, 2019

lazy farmer said:
Yes and even from calf to calf In the fist few days of life.
Considering we have batch feed colostrum until the last 2 yrs. we really should have higher levels than we do. I’m convinced our Johnes came from the period when we calved on sand and contamination through faeces would have been very easy.
Now we have gone back to using oodles of straw and continuing to remove calves as soon as thy stand we have seen our first group of heifers come through without us seeing any reds For a number of yrs.

This is something I only discovered through reading my sons BVA journal and trial results. It has not been publicised as much as it should. We now put any potential Johnes calves to be reared with the steers (which reduces the risk of spreading it to the heifers but increases the risk of it catching it from the steers!) Durrrrrr

Mr Mackay · Aug 29, 2019

Princess Pooper said:
how did you know you'd never had a Johnes case before now it you've only just started sampling? We'e been milk testing for 5 years and have a low level of Johnes, these are normally culled after two positive tests. We have never had a ''sick cow' that the vet has tested for Johnes come back positive.

Thats interesting !! Do you tend to be suspicious of the first positive for some reason ? (we have a cow thats never had a pos for the last 3 yrs but has gone pos when dry )
We are a bit gutted as she has 3 daughter s , but we probably know that its a true result . Its a hard one !

Milkcow365 · Aug 29, 2019

Any pics of the cows/heifers you have for next week @Fergieman

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