Farming Connect to promote Welsh language.

Johngee · Sep 12, 2019

Going back to the OP it looks like Farming Connect have had funding from Welsh Government to do this research. Basically over 50% of those involved in agriculture in Wales speak Welsh, far higher than any other sector and farming is going to be vital in ensuring the survival of the language.
It's also a useful argument when coming across any farmer bashing or things like the Summit to Sea rewilding thing, that they are endangering our language and culture.

Hasbeennoall · Sep 12, 2019

So what happens to us farmers born in Wales that don't speak Wales ethic cleans us ( to think I voted for Welsh assembly)

Cowabunga · Sep 12, 2019

Agrivator said:
Dialects are dying out all over the UK - apart maybe among farm workers around upper Deeside in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire.

I'm more optimistic about dialects. They change, of course they do. Language always has been and always will be somewhat fluid, but there's still substantial differences between regions and even towns not too far away from each other. I mean, for instance, the difference between Wolverhamton and Birmingham is quite obvious, but mostly in accent perhaps. In my locality there is a distinct dialect difference between north of Aberystwyth into Bow Street compared to south of town. Different again past Talybont and into Machynlleth. Further up from there and everyone gets called father and they don't know the difference between a chick and a foal, lord help them.

Cowabunga · Sep 12, 2019

Johngee said:
Going back to the OP it looks like Farming Connect have had funding from Welsh Government to do this research. Basically over 50% of those involved in agriculture in Wales speak Welsh, far higher than any other sector and farming is going to be vital in ensuring the survival of the language.
It's also a useful argument when coming across any farmer bashing or things like the Summit to Sea rewilding thing, that they are endangering our language and culture.

None of those schemes seem to have any Welsh people involved, much less Welsh speakers. They seem to bus English people into the region for these 'environmental' schemes to show us how to run the countryside we've run for hundreds of years without their interference..

Derrick Hughes · Sep 12, 2019

Hasbeennoall said:
So what happens to us farmers born in Wales that don't speak Wales ethic cleans us ( to think I voted for Welsh assembly)

If you voted leave put some red maker spray on your front door and they will pass by

Cowabunga · Sep 12, 2019

Hasbeennoall said:
So what happens to us farmers born in Wales that don't speak Wales ethic cleans us ( to think I voted for Welsh assembly)

You are encouraged to enthuse yourself to learn and use the language boyo. Its not compulsory, but you never know, like Jeremy Vine, you might just enjoy it.

Hasbeennoall · Sep 12, 2019

If you can get on a scheme,with their stupid window periods ,jam on border no waiting to get on English entry scheme ,and no shortage of cash compared to Wales but still the idiot experts ,get rid of the lot plenty of trees about ,

rhifsaith · Sep 12, 2019

Yale said:
My wife was disadvantaged as having taken her A levels in Welsh she went to Uni at Salford and Liverpool John Moore’s and it dramatically made her studies more difficult in English.

I am a product of having the Welsh language rammed down my throat at school.

Don’t get me wrong I’m proud of being Welsh and of Wales however I am ashamed of how Welsh speakers behave in an arrogant immature way in the company of persons who do not speak the language.

Yale said:
Wales is as disjointed as England.

Cardiff has no relevance to us in North East Wales as much as London does to someone living in Carlisle.

Actually I can fly to Schiphol airport in the Netherlands door to door quicker than I can get to Cardiff......and that’s arriving 2 hours before the flight goes from Liverpool airport.

Transport links in Wales are a joke.

Make your fing mind up,are you proud of this country or not?
Let’s hope your children do well in uni and settle in england and keep their prejudices over there.

Hasbeennoall · Sep 12, 2019

Cant speak English either love ,but old chap was one of few founder members of fuw and waos so have some Welsh history who cares!

br jones · Sep 12, 2019

Easy now

primmiemoo · Sep 12, 2019

Mar plek, kosel.

Hasbeennoall · Sep 12, 2019

Don't worry about the so called English incomers theirs lots none speaking Welsh men like me are fed up of being treated like a second class citizen in own country ,from school to now , especially on East side of Wales!

Johngee · Sep 12, 2019

Cowabunga said:
None of those schemes seem to have any Welsh people involved, much less Welsh speakers. They seem to bus English people into the region for these 'environmental' schemes to show us how to run the countryside we've run for hundreds of years without their interference..

There's going to be a feature about rewilding on Ffermio soon, I see on facebook that Alun Elidyr has been filming at the Knepp estate.

Hasbeennoall · Sep 12, 2019

Johngee said:
There's going to be a feature about rewilding on Ffermio soon, I see on facebook that Alun Elidyr has been filming at the Knepp estate.

Johngee · Sep 12, 2019

Hasbeennoall said:
Don't worry about the so called English incomers theirs lots none speaking Welsh men like me are fed up of being treated like a second class citizen in own country ,from school to now , especially on East side of Wales!

In what way have you been made to feel like a second class citizen? I worked in Brecon for a few years in the 90's and there was a lot of sympathy there for the Welsh language with many expressing sorrow at the fact they didn't speak it. Some would say they spoke only Welsh before starting school and had lost most of it as they grew up. Remember one old boy near Crickhowell saying that it was his great grandparents' generation were the last to speak Welsh in his area and that he loved to hear it being spoken in Royal Welsh etc.

Hasbeennoall · Sep 12, 2019

Rewild west west Wales (as no one lives there or wants to!)and leave East Wales and North Wales do the proper farming ha

Bald Rick · Sep 12, 2019

Johngee said:
There's going to be a feature about rewilding on Ffermio soon, I see on facebook that Alun Elidyr has been filming at the Knepp estate.

Going to be filming here too soon.
Be heavily edited as I only speak Caernarfon Welsh

Hasbeennoall · Sep 12, 2019

Johngee said:
In what way have you been made to feel like a second class citizen? I worked in Brecon for a few years in the 90's and there was a lot of sympathy there for the Welsh language with many expressing sorrow at the fact they didn't speak it. Some would say they spoke only Welsh before starting school and had lost most of it as they grew up. Remember one old boy near Crickhowell saying that it was his great grandparents' generation were the last to speak Welsh in his area and that he loved to hear it being spoken in Royal Welsh etc.

Danllan · Sep 12, 2019

SteveHants said:
Brock is sometimes used by the older generation in rural Hampshire, oddly enough.

I was raised in Herts and it was the usual name for a badger there and... where we were, near the Bucks border, the older blokes - who still had 'local' accents - wouldn't use the term 'coney' for a rabbit like most of the surrounding areas, instead it was called a 'cuuning', which is pretty close to the Welsh cwningen. And... the same old blokes called a ladder a 'skuler' which is, again, pretty close to the Welsh ysgol (although they called a school a 'skool'...).

I have two theories as to why these words were used, either they are / were remnants left over from the old British language; or. they were brought over by drovers who settled, there are farming families in the area called Phillips, Lloyd and Pritchard. Interesting subject I think.

Johngee said:
Just to allay your fears somewhat - as you would imagine our three have gone through Welsh medium education. The eldest did his science A levels in Welsh and has now gone on to study Chemistry at Warwick. He's just passed his first year with flying colours. Even though he did his subjects in Welsh the teachers always introduced them to the English version of any technical terms, which has meant he hasn't been held back in any way.
He says there's students on his course from many other countries who are studying in English for the first time. If they've got the ability they can do it.

I remember you saying he was off up there, well done him. But I have to work on the information and facts before me, and the pure Welsh secondary schools in this area seem 'politically' committed to not using English in class. I wish they were as forward-thinking as those up by you. I don't say it can't be done, but that it places an additional pressure at an already stressful time. There is an obvious answer, but it won't happen, which is to teach degrees in Welsh - but there would be relatively little demand and foreign students would run a mile.

Ffermer Bach said:
when my daughter was younger, she used to say why have we got road signs in English, when we have our own language, if we go to France they don't put signs in English in case people can't speak French!

The thing is, well over half the population of France can speak French.

Johngee said:
In what way have you been made to feel like a second class citizen? I worked in Brecon for a few years in the 90's and there was a lot of sympathy there for the Welsh language with many expressing sorrow at the fact they didn't speak it. Some would say they spoke only Welsh before starting school and had lost most of it as they grew up. Remember one old boy near Crickhowell saying that it was his great grandparents' generation were the last to speak Welsh in his area and that he loved to hear it being spoken in Royal Welsh etc.

I was with the Army in Crickhowell very briefly and can only remember hearing Welsh spoken by visiting soldiers, and my father when he visited!

Bald Rick said:
Going to be filming here too soon.
Be heavily edited as I only speak Caernarfon Welsh

You mean heavily censored.

Hasbeennoall · Sep 12, 2019

In reply to second class comment -good example at royal Welsh show a few years ago my English mother and English wife sat for a breather as mother was eighty and heart complaint on the chairs of a certain Welsh organisation my wife noticed a lot of commotion with people and a nice chap came over and said these chairs are reserved for Welsh members only !!as my father was one of founding members and my wife was also a member I beg to dither as us being a second class citizen ,I have since never been to that show ! Could run through more but you get the general idea

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