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digger64 · Nov 15, 2019

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You young uns ! The glory days were 70s to 90s. The wonderful FHDS scheme 40% grants on most things , for drainage it got to 70% in some situations. We had money to invest in the farm, a bit for ourselves, a bit for the tax man all on a tiny amount of borrowings. all from 70 dairy cows & other odds & ends.
Never been the same since F & M IMO , for reasons I can never just figure out
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Its because there has been an Income stream since then into the industry unrelated to the price,the yield , the market spec or demand for the product. Which has created an industry that does not react logically to market /COP parameters , more like does what it want and can do rather than what it should do which then means others have to put up or shut up if they wish to stay in the game that nobody appears to be happy with or winning .

Tarw Coch · Nov 15, 2019

The other problem with the you could allways ring someone else argument is that in a year like this they are busy looking after their regular customers first and who can blame them,

Ukjay · Nov 15, 2019

Sorry, but it surely is the duty / responsibility of said person to ensure they build in a contingency for this kind of situation, as its not like rain is something new in Wales..

If you are not able to afford it under the current systems, then one should have been thinking of downsizing the units to help manage the demand on the system, not wait till it is at breaking point.

This is where the environmental calamities start...

ollie989898 · Nov 15, 2019

There are contractors that specialise in manure and slurry, always pays to spread the work around a bit.

lazy farmer · Nov 15, 2019

7610 super q said:
If you say so. The Duckmeister has informed us on many, many occasions how awesome it's been under the CAP regime. Yet, despite 50% grants for slurry stores indicated in another post above, and the fact that most EU dole money in Wales has been shifted to dairy farmers, he hasn't been able to upgrade his slurry stores. This is very strange. Or is it.....maybe the fact the dole money doesn't make up for the sh!te 1970's price for milk and other farm produce has led to non investment.
It's a pity the EU didn't control prices and be done with it. Gawd knows they seek to control every other aspect of farming. Instead of dole money, they should have raised farm gate prices every year in line with inflation. Even if that had ended now, at least we would be pegged at 2020 prices. And subsidies wouldn't have been a stick to beat us by enviromentalists / vegans etc.
So which is it ? Prosperous agriculture over the last 40 years under the CAP, or fudgeing disaster whereby farms haven't invested in the future ?
BTW, I hope the weather turns cold and dries up so folks can get slurry spread. But it might not. We could be in for wet weather till next April.

People like you need to wake up and smell the turnips.

What utter nonsense. By all means you can argue that the duck made poor choices in what he choose to invest in but to blame the EU is Truly beyond any form of reality I am aware of.
As for putting up food prices with inflation. That would only work with every country in the world doing the same. In doing that of course you would create food mountains,stifle innovation and create inefficiencies. And you think the Eu is mad? Well they are amateurs compared with you.

Tarw Coch · Nov 15, 2019

ollie989898 said:
There are contractors that specialise in manure and slurry, always pays to spread the work around a bit.

Most of the contractors around here with umbilical kit also chop maize, the one I can think of that doesn’t provideds tractors and trailers to other contractors on the maize as well as to a potato grower, I don’t know about other areas but around here there isn’t anyone who just spreads muck and I’m not surprised really, it’s hardly a job with demand all year round so they look for other work for tractors and men and with this being a difficult autumn they’re rather bogged down with work and don’t have the time let alone the inclination to take on extra work from customers they quite likely won’t see again unless In an emergency.

Derrick Hughes · Nov 15, 2019

Spent to much time yapping about Brexit when he should have been on the muck

digger64 · Nov 15, 2019

lazy farmer said:
What utter nonsense. By all means you can argue that the duck made poor choices in what he choose to invest in but to blame the EU is Truly beyond any form of reality I am aware of.
As for putting up food prices with inflation. That would only work with every country in the world doing the same. In doing that of course you would create food mountains,stifle innovation and create inefficiencies. And you think the Eu is mad? Well they are amateurs compared with you.

Who should you blame then ?

lazy farmer · Nov 15, 2019

digger64 said:
Who should you blame then ?

For what ?
I find things are usually my fault. Whether that’s leaving a light on or not producing a product at a price I can make a profit on. Blaming others/institutions is such a waste of time. Being angry at the “system” denigrates are own influence on our situations. Much better to adapt and move forward. That after all is what humans are hard wired to do.

lazy farmer · Nov 15, 2019

Forage Trader said:
Spent to much time yapping about Brexit when he should have been on the muck

Takes one to know one

Bury the Trash · Nov 15, 2019

lazy farmer said:
For what ?
I find things are usually my fault. Whether that’s leaving a light on or not producing a product at a price I can make a profit on. Blaming others/institutions is such a waste of time. Being angry at the “system” denigrates are own influence on our situations. Much better to adapt and move forward. That after all is what humans are hard wired to do.

Good post .

digger64 · Nov 15, 2019

lazy farmer said:
For what ?
I find things are usually my fault. Whether that’s leaving a light on or not producing a product at a price I can make a profit on. Blaming others/institutions is such a waste of time. Being angry at the “system” denigrates are own influence on our situations. Much better to adapt and move forward. That after all is what humans are hard wired to do.

So you are saying the trading environment that farmers find themselves in is either within their control or is a sort of economic calvanism type thing ?

Cowabunga · Nov 15, 2019

7610 super q said:
You've changed your tune then. Finally admitting the EU is a crock of sh!te ?

You are at it again and again I strongly object to you putting words in my mouth. That you appear too obtuse to understand plain English is not my problem. Or it shouldn't be but you are making it so. So I will share some home truths with you.

I challenge you to find where I said it was awesome under the EU.

It [the EU] has helped smooth volatility in the marketplace over the years for many commodities for as long as possible, thus providing opportunities for people [like FT's family and many of your neighbours]] to expand and prosper, but it has never tried or would be allowed to alter produce prices against market forces or to interfere directly in private business decisions. What it has tried to do is protect us from cut-price imports from outside the EU, which has a roughly similar standard of production. It has also tried to redistribute wealth from the richer nations to aid the poorer ones through its subsidy systems.

Poor market returns have always, on average, been the result of supply and demand. Supply too much for the demand and your price drops to, or below, the marginal cost of production. This is basic market economics. If you stand still when your neighbours are more progressive and efficient, thus lowering their cost of production so increasing their margins, no matter what the market is doing, you fall behind if you are not also doing so. Ideally and on average, to prevent falling behind, any business should aim to increase the value of their output by 10% per year and ahead of their neighbours/rivals to ensure prosperity into the future. This is called CAPITALISM.

It seems from the large chip on your shoulder that has been observed by many others apart from me [I mean, how could anyone miss it], that you have not been very successful at Capitalism, blaming all and sundry, apart from yourself, for all your perceived ills. I suggest you do some navel gazing.

Cowabunga · Nov 15, 2019

davidroberts30 said:
do you reseed?spring plough?
to create room you may have to sacrifice a field

May come to that but I have a thousand tons to spread and that will run off if put on too thick.

There's a heck of a lot of dairy farms in the same situation at the moment.

DRC · Nov 15, 2019

7610 super q said:
You've changed your tune then. Finally admitting the EU is a crock of sh!te ?

I don’t think they’re be some non EU utopian world, where every farm would have 18 months slurry storage . I bet the NVZ rules are gold plated by, you’ve guessed it Defra or the welsh equivalent .

Cowabunga · Nov 15, 2019

Brisel said:
Fair enough. Did you empty your in September? I'm not being facetious, just trying to point out that slurry is regarded as a liability, not an asset by many. I sympathise with the frustration when so much of it is rainwater.

No rainwater apart from what falls on the tower.
No off course it wasn't spread in September. The tower wouldn't be full otherwise. What would the cows graze if I plastered it on their grazing area. In 45 years, I've never had it so consistently wet from September until now, preventing slurry or muck spreading.

DRC · Nov 15, 2019

Tarw Coch said:
Most of the contractors around here with umbilical kit also chop maize, the one I can think of that doesn’t provideds tractors and trailers to other contractors on the maize as well as to a potato grower, I don’t know about other areas but around here there isn’t anyone who just spreads muck and I’m not surprised really, it’s hardly a job with demand all year round so they look for other work for tractors and men and with this being a difficult autumn they’re rather bogged down with work and don’t have the time let alone the inclination to take on extra work from customers they quite likely won’t see again unless In an emergency.

Glad I got Reg and the boys to spread the pig muck before it got too wet , and that the pig farm had @ Mick moor to build a 6 month slurry store . I’m hearing that some local AD guys are paying contractors to move liquid digestate to anyone with an empty slurry lagoon

Derrick Hughes · Nov 15, 2019

Cowabunga said:
No rainwater apart from what falls on the tower.
No off course it wasn't spread in September. The tower wouldn't be full otherwise. What would the cows graze if I plastered it on their grazing area. In 45 years, I've never had it so consistently wet from September until now, preventing slurry or muck spreading.

Dont you empty the tower in the summer or are you housing at night

Bury the Trash · Nov 15, 2019

,what about them massive big polythene bags they do for temporary storage ?

Cowabunga · Nov 15, 2019

Forage Trader said:
Dont you empty the tower in the summer or are you housing at night

Nearly emptied it after first cut but applied rather too much per acre to be ideal. Although it did rain considerably in the week after application, it did stunt regrowth considerably. Too dry after second cut, although about 50 acres had about 18,000 litres per hectare at considerable risk.

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