Winter beans sowing date

Ozzie

Member

• Dec 16, 2014

• #1

Grown winter beans before and they love our heavy ground , have broadcast on with the drill and ploughed in shallow before question is as its so late and the ground is saturated , do I plough before when it steadies up and drill mid jan as the conditions allow but not put them in as deep and when would be your latest sowing date , thanks for any replies .

 

Barleymow

Member

Mixed Farmer

Location

Ipswich

• Dec 16, 2014

• #2

have ploughed them in on heavy land 28dec before grew and yielded well

 

Ozzie

Member

• Dec 16, 2014

• #3

Sorry probably not been clear , it's do I now plough first with a view to drill at say four inches up to the end of jan mid February , just to wet to go now .

 

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Richard Budd

Member

Location

Kent

• Dec 16, 2014

• #4

Winter beans can be planted in the spring you will just need to up the seed rate, I would wait now until mid-late February, put them in early Jan and it goes very cold and they could be sat in wet cold mush for a very long time.

Can't help with the ploughing bit as I direct drill mine.

 

Simon Chiles

DD Moderator

Location

Surrey/ Kent Border, UK

• Dec 16, 2014

• #5

Drillied Winter Beans last year, I think it was end of March or beginning of April, harvested beginning of Sept. Yielded more than the Spring Beans I planted about the same time in the field next to it, and average yield for this soil type.

 

Ozzie

Member

• Dec 16, 2014

• #6

Thanks Simon did you up the seed rate and did you drill at normal spacing or block up every other coulter and was it heavy ground , sorry for all the questions

 

Simon Chiles

DD Moderator

Location

Surrey/ Kent Border, UK

• Dec 17, 2014

• #7

Ozzie said:

Thanks Simon did you up the seed rate and did you drill at normal spacing or block up every other coulter and was it heavy ground , sorry for all the questions

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It was heavy ground, normal row spacing and put the seed that we had for 28 acres on 19.5, we then bought one bag of spring seed to do the remaining 8.5. No special calculations on seed rate it's just what we had over each field.

 

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Euro fighter

New Member

Location

deepest south

• Dec 17, 2014

• #8

Reading this makes me feel a bit better - have'nt drilled any yet, last yr they went in mid of Nov and although a bloody nightmare to harvest yielded ok. Bloody wet now, looks like not the end of the world if we wait till things are less wet.

 

beefandsleep

Member

Location

Staffordshire

• Dec 17, 2014

• #9

What is the earliest sowing date for winter beans on reasonably heavy clay ground and what would be considered the optimum date?

 

Fuzzy

Member

Arable Farmer

Location

Bedfordshire

• Dec 17, 2014

• #10

beefandsleep said:

What is the earliest sowing date for winter beans on reasonably heavy clay ground and what would be considered the optimum date?

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Mid October is the earliest recommended date for drilling winter Beans (I normally direct drill them on heavy ground with 10" row spacing in second half of October or early November), as with most crops the optimum date will depend mainly on good drilling conditions and the weather after drilling!. I have also drilled them in March with good results.

 

Ozzie

Member

• Dec 17, 2014

• #11

Fuzzy said:

Mid October is the earliest recommended date for drilling winter Beans (I normally direct drill them on heavy ground with 10" row spacing in second half of October or early November), as with most crops the optimum date will depend mainly on good drilling conditions and the weather after drilling!. I have also drilled them in March with good results.

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I totally agree with you and I was all drilled cereal wise before then , trouble is it just has not stopped raining !!!! grrrrr

 

Fuzzy

Member

Arable Farmer

Location

Bedfordshire

• Dec 17, 2014

• #12

Ozzie said:

I totally agree with you and I was all drilled cereal wise before then , trouble is it just has not stopped raining !!!! grrrrr

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I'm glad it stopped us drilling anything else......the blackgrass just keeps growing!!

 

Oat

Member

Location

Cheshire

• Dec 17, 2014

• #13

Drilled some winter beans last weekend. Cultivated with solid tines earlier in the week and then tine drilled with air drill. On each pass I was surprised how dry soil was coming up. Soil is sandy loam. Field pre-em'd with Nirvana on Monday.

PGRO have details in their handbook for optimum seedrates for different varieties. Before now have always drilled at 20 s/m2 and then accounted for germination and estimated establishment, so ended up around 27 s/m2. Guide suggested Clipper at 22, so accounting for germ and est ended up being 30 s/m2 / 212 kg/ha

 

tr250

Member

Location

Northants

• Dec 28, 2019

• #14

How many seeds/sq metre would people recommend for wizard winter beans sown in Feb?

 

Brisel

Member

Arable Farmer

Location

Midlands

• Dec 28, 2019

• #15

A spring sown rate. You want at least 45-50 plants/m2. Sow at least 60 in my opinion.

 

tr250

Member

Location

Northants

• Dec 28, 2019

• #16

Brisel said:

A spring sown rate. You want at least 45-50 plants/m2. Sow at least 60 in my opinion.

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By my calculations thats 321 kg/ha does that sound right?

 

Brisel

Member

Arable Farmer

Location

Midlands

• Dec 29, 2019

• #17

tr250 said:

By my calculations thats 321 kg/ha does that sound right?

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I've no idea what the figures behind that were, so I can’t really say much. Low germ? Low establishment? Large seed? I’ve sown over 400 kg/ha home saved using variable rate, so your rate isn’t unusual.

 

Ladybird

Member

Location

West Hendred

• Dec 29, 2019

• #18

We drilled at 320 Kg but had a very low germination at 70% for our winter beans. We were aiming for 35 seeds. See what comes up!!!! We’re on Vespa as it’s the only variety We could get hold of, any one grown these?

 

CORK

Member

Location

East Cork, Ireland

• Feb 20, 2020

• #19

Planted Tundra here (south coast of Ireland) on the 3rd Dec.
Was expecting crow warfare but they didn’t even turn up!
Probably a bit thick now - mid 30’s/m2.

Planted 4” deep, very vigorous and stuck the wet really well.

Weed control was Nirvana at 4L plus some glyphosate to take out the few existing weeds and Phacelia.

 

Ladybird

Member

Location

West Hendred

• Feb 20, 2020

• #20

CORK said:

Planted Tundra here (south coast of Ireland) on the 3rd Dec.
Was expecting crow warfare but they didn’t even turn up!
Probably a bit thick now - mid 30’s/m2.

Planted 4” deep, very vigorous and stuck the wet really well.

Weed control was Nirvana at 4L plus some glyphosate to take out the few existing weeds and Phacelia.
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They look well