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The oil companies are probably laughing at the antics of the west in trying to cut co2 emissions by a few per cent while the developing world is still using plenty of oil and will be for a long time yet.
Committee on Climate Change Report The Future For Farming And Land Use
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We're not to good at under water though....?
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Isn't this
Oh, and does this
contrary to this
Oh, and does this
also apply in Aus where temps over 50C are being seen now, enough to kill humans unless they take careful measures?
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Thank goodness you have joined this thread with some sensible posts @Muck Spreader rather than the mostly bickering and pathetic rudeness that the last two pages of it seems have become. Well done!
This is an interesting subject that requires balanced views rather than giving entrenched views, then acting like children when somebody disagrees with them.
There is no clear answer to solving the CC problem, especially when there is so much money at stake that undoubtedly leads to bias, depending on who is paying for it. But that doesn’t mean the rest of us should throw all are toys out of the pram whenever somebody offers a contradictory comment or view.
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I'm genuinely interested in contrary views but I don't quite see the law of thermodynamics in the same way. The Earth is both receiving and emitting energy all the time, the net effect depends on the balance of the 2 (and the ability of our planetary sinks to buffer the difference). CO2 is definately not the only game in town but it is a factor. So is CH4, N20, water vapour, albedo effect, soil cover, volcanic eruptions, solar flares etc etc.
As for the science: ALL sources are biased. Some are inadventently so and some inetntionally so. The trick is sorting out which is which and how bad each bias is.
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The way many people talk, you’d think that CO2 was the most abundant gas in our atmosphere.
It is 404ppm, which is 0.04% of it!
To get this into context, there have not been a million days since Jesus was born. In fact only 737,833 of them!
If the proportion of CO2 was expressed in days since Jesus was born, it would be 295 days.
OR 22nd September in the year 0!
(Actually 21st September if it is/was a Leap year!)
It is 404ppm, which is 0.04% of it!
To get this into context, there have not been a million days since Jesus was born. In fact only 737,833 of them!
If the proportion of CO2 was expressed in days since Jesus was born, it would be 295 days.
OR 22nd September in the year 0!
(Actually 21st September if it is/was a Leap year!)
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Scribus
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Who are paid trolls?
Dan Powell
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Not really relevant but an excellent statistic.
Dan Powell
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I read somewhere that there are such people lurking on message boards sowing doubt and confusion, and that they are in the pay of oil companies etc. Probably nonsense, but most of this thread now is anyway. You have your conspiracy theories. I have mine.
Dan Powell
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I would agree there.
Dan Powell
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There are plenty of recorded changes out there in the world that would dispute your assertion that the climate is changing "so slowly that man will always adapt."
The real crisis is one of human impact on the whole planet, not just the climate. The water cycle, biodiversity loss, deforestation, pollution, desertification. It's all one big picture.
I think the report makes some important points and some of the changes will be for the better. Some are completely misguided though. Planting trees can be justified in many ways, but in terms of carbon mitigation it's a laughably small drop in the ocean. If they really want to reduce carbon emissions, they should start with consumer goods and leisure activities. The road past my farm is massively busy compared to when I was a child. Half the traffic seems to be little vans delivering online shopping.
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Ooh, the autumn equinox! Spooky!
WorkerDrone
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I started commenting on this thread because I furious at the news presented on Farming Today relating to the CCC report.
I hadn’t read the report (all 123 pages of it).........but I have now !!
Contrary to my initial fears, if the potential dangers of GHG and Global Warming are acknowledged (and that’s a whole other debate it seems), the findings and recommendations of the Great and the Good are generally positive.
What is sadly lacking ( and is a trait to be found in most reports from academia) are any answers. The constant repetition of standard numbers and repeated paragraphs throughout the report was frustrating to say the least.........you had to read all of it, just in case ”Sir Humphrey” had buried a bombshell in the text. But there aren’t any......?
No one appears to have picked up on the fact that the committee do not expect to attain anywhere near the Net Zero figure by 2050.......and the boys and girls on the Aero committee, only expect to have reached 23% of the target, whilst the governments own projections have readings of 63% of today’s levels by 2050. Reason......longevity of the aircraft fleet. No pressure on the airlines then ??
I hadn’t read the report (all 123 pages of it).........but I have now !!
Contrary to my initial fears, if the potential dangers of GHG and Global Warming are acknowledged (and that’s a whole other debate it seems), the findings and recommendations of the Great and the Good are generally positive.
What is sadly lacking ( and is a trait to be found in most reports from academia) are any answers. The constant repetition of standard numbers and repeated paragraphs throughout the report was frustrating to say the least.........you had to read all of it, just in case ”Sir Humphrey” had buried a bombshell in the text. But there aren’t any......?
No one appears to have picked up on the fact that the committee do not expect to attain anywhere near the Net Zero figure by 2050.......and the boys and girls on the Aero committee, only expect to have reached 23% of the target, whilst the governments own projections have readings of 63% of today’s levels by 2050. Reason......longevity of the aircraft fleet. No pressure on the airlines then ??
Goweresque
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People like you and me apparently. Unfortunately my cheque from Big Oil (or the Lizard People) has been lost in the post. Every climate fanatic always claims that people who oppose them are paid shills for some vested interest. They can't conceive that ordinary people could arrive at opinions contrary to their own entirely of their own volition.
Robin1966
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This really is just so much incorrect guff. Actually, UN estimates point to 400,000 to 600,000 people dying each year due to causes that can be attributed to man-made climate change: https://www.americansecurityproject.org/climate-change-causing-400000-deaths-per-year/
Changes are already happening, and they are being noticed, except by some it seems.
We are not in an interglacial. We are in a Milankovitch cycle (Earth's orbital cycle) which ordinarily would mean us approaching or actually being in an ice age. Greenhouse gas emissions emitted by humans have effectively delayed that ice age by about 50,000 years.
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The 'American Security Project' Is that any more than an excuse to go beat the shite out of countries that don't do as uncle Sam tells them? Terrorism is so old hat, now its climate change being touted as the new reason for war on poorer nations.
essex man
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Should really do something about rainforest, seems to be emitting quite a lot of co2
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It is interesting, also highly complex and is, or will have an effect on every living thing on the planet. Hopefully over the coming decades agriculture will play a big part in helping to manage climate change. The current difficulty is just getting people and particularly governments to acknowledge that it's real threat and it actually exists. And it will take way way more than a bit of tree planting to solve.
Also in defence of the climate scientists who get a regular panning on here, I would say they are allowed to be wrong in their predictions. Whilst they are using the best data available with the biggest computers it's still a forecast (guess) and they frequently have to reevaluate it. But their overall trend lines remain stubbornly towards a 4 degree rise by the end of the century if we do nothing.
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What strikes me the most about that slide is the Republic of Ireland.
What the heck are they up to?
Is it down to all the Guinness they make?
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No idea but now I worry I might be missing out on something!
Scribus
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This might have something to do with it -
By 2028 data centres and other large users will consume 29% of Ireland’s electricity, according to EirGrid, Ireland’s state-owned transmission system operator. Worldwide data centres consume about 2% of electricity, a figure set to reach 8% by 2030. Few countries, if any, will match Ireland’s level.
Why Irish data centre boom is complicating climate efforts
Surge in processing industry will increase Ireland’s already too high carbon emissions
www.theguardian.com