Remember when i was ridiculed for "Food Security" claims?

stewart · Mar 30, 2020

glasshouse said:
The corn laws were introduced after the rout of napoleon and his socialist ideals to preserve the sky high rents paid during the war.
This was to keep the capital value of estates up so that vast mansions could be built, to lord it over the vanquished peasants who had to endure 30 yrs of austerity .

The repeal of the Corn Laws was due mainly to the Irish Famine but also partly due to the increase in MPs from the industrial regions, the mill owners wanted cheaper food available for their workers so they could keep wages lower. This also contributed to further migration to the colonies as workers sought a better life overseas.

FonterraFarmer · Mar 31, 2020

glasshouse said:
Beware when posting uncomfortable facts about english colonialism
You will be accused of carrying a chip on your shoulder

Doesn't matter where you go, history will be selective, more often than not the truth gets burried in myth, distortion and lies.

FonterraFarmer · Mar 31, 2020

Bossfarmer said:
they say its better for the environment then import food from across the world takes 5 times as much land to grow it and often in areas of deforestation

So is deforestation and or the controlled drainage is swamps has never happened in the UK? And are you implying the scenery in the UK hasn't been altered in the last 500 years, 1000 years??

Brisel · Mar 31, 2020

glasshouse said:
Beware when posting uncomfortable facts about english colonialism
You will be accused of carrying a chip on your shoulder

Correct!

glasshouse said:
The corn laws were introduced after the rout of napoleon and his socialist ideals to preserve the sky high rents paid during the war.
This was to keep the capital value of estates up so that vast mansions could be built, to lord it over the vanquished peasants who had to endure 30 yrs of austerity .

Absolutely nothing to do with protecting domestic food production then? Granted, some of the money ended up in the wrong place but has history really ever changed? Modern rents are underwritten by the Basic Payment Scheme.

glasshouse · Mar 31, 2020

Brisel said:
Correct!

Absolutely nothing to do with protecting domestic food production then? Granted, some of the money ended up in the wrong place but has history really ever changed? Modern rents are underwritten by the Basic Payment Scheme.

The corn laws were pure extortion of the masses by the aristocracy
Food would still have been produced without them as the prairies were not getting ploughed wholesale at that time, but at a much lower rent
The thing that bankrupted farmers in the 1880,s was not cheap imports but the refusal of landlords to lower rents in line

Brisel · Mar 31, 2020

glasshouse said:
The corn laws were pure extortion of the masses by the aristocracy
Food would still have been produced without them as the prairies were not getting ploughed wholesale at that time, but at a much lower rent

Imported produce was much cheaper and more plentiful - the Corn Laws were designed to keep them out at great cost to the country as we were restricted to domestic goods. Look at what happened after the law was repealed. Hardly a victory for the tenant, was it?

glasshouse · Mar 31, 2020

Brisel said:
Imported produce was much cheaper and more plentiful - the Corn Laws were designed to keep them out at great cost to the country as we were restricted to domestic goods. Look at what happened after the law was repealed. Hardly a victory for the tenant, was it?

It was for the new men who came in and swept up all the land for next to nothing.

Cowcorn · Mar 31, 2020

Blaithin said:
Because they breed like rabbits and it's a tiny island?

No, the famine was the result of goverment policies which discrimated against the native population because of their religon. The failure of the 1798 rebellion led to wholesale confiscation of land and many were left relying on an acre to grow potatoes to feed themselves and wheat to pay the english landlords rent.
The blight that arrived in the mid 1840s caused starvation because the rent had still to be paid and most of the smallest tenants were ruthlessly evicted by the landlords
Ireland was a grain exporter right through the famine. 1 million people died another million emigrated. Yes its a small island but it was not densly populated . The biggest legacy of the famine was the growing support for the belief that the British would have to go no matter how long it took and despite several failed attempts the 1916 rising and the war of independence that followed returned Ireland to its people . The english landlord system was dismantled and the land distributed .
The native american indians sent money to the irish during the famine maybe the understood better than most what was been inflicted on the poor and weak .
Smart arse comments about Catholics do nobody any credit poverty was blind as was greed .

stewart · Mar 31, 2020

Brisel said:
Imported produce was much cheaper and more plentiful - the Corn Laws were designed to keep them out at great cost to the country as we were restricted to domestic goods. Look at what happened after the law was repealed. Hardly a victory for the tenant, was it?

There were more people in Britain at the time than Landlords and tenants, the repeal of the Corn Laws was a victory for the more industrialised North, Mill owners were able to pay lower wages due to food been readily available and more affordable, leading to the industrial revolution that lifted the general wealth of Britain by quite some margin.
The Corn Laws were nothing more than a means of keeping the landed gentry in opulent wealth, something they had got used to during the Napoleonic wars.

glasshouse · Mar 31, 2020

Cowcorn said:
No, the famine was the result of goverment policies which discrimated against the native population because of their religon. The failure of the 1798 rebellion led to wholesale confiscation of land and many were left relying on an acre to grow potatoes to feed themselves and wheat to pay the english landlords rent.
The blight that arrived in the mid 1840s caused starvation because the rent had still to be paid and most of the smallest tenants were ruthlessly evicted by the landlords
Ireland was a grain exporter right through the famine. 1 million people died another million emigrated. Yes its a small island but it was not densly populated . The biggest legacy of the famine was the growing support for the belief that the British would have to go no matter how long it took and despite several failed attempts the 1916 rising and the war of independence that followed returned Ireland to its people . The english landlord system was dismantled and the land distributed .
The native american indians sent money to the irish during the famine maybe the understood better than most what was been inflicted on the poor and weak .
Smart arse comments about Catholics do nobody any credit poverty was blind as was greed .

Well said

Cowcorn · Mar 31, 2020

glasshouse said:
The corn laws were pure extortion of the masses by the aristocracy
Food would still have been produced without them as the prairies were not getting ploughed wholesale at that time, but at a much lower rent
The thing that bankrupted farmers in the 1880,s was not cheap imports but the refusal of landlords to lower rents in line

Upwards only rent policies have been around for a long time . One of the reasons for the1798 rebellion kicking off prematurely was a drop in the price of malting barley coupled with bad weather at harvest and a rent increase left many Wexford tenants with nothing. The malt houses were of course owned by the landlords and with little competition for grain the paid as little as possible. Just like the mill owners who wanted to pay lower wages because food was cheaper ....... Christ capitalism you just have to love it !!!!!!!

Brisel · Mar 31, 2020

stewart said:
There were more people in Britain at the time than Landlords and tenants, the repeal of the Corn Laws was a victory for the more industrialised North, Mill owners were able to pay lower wages due to food been readily available and more affordable, leading to the industrial revolution that lifted the general wealth of Britain by quite some margin.
The Corn Laws were nothing more than a means of keeping the landed gentry in opulent wealth, something they had got used to during the Napoleonic wars.

Protectionism costs the people one way or another, whether it's tariffs or subsidy payments.

DeeGee · Mar 31, 2020

By whatever means and under whatever cloak of disguise, the weak will invariably be exploited by the ruthless.

Whether you adhere to the ethos of everybody’s favourite uncle, Adolf and his chief apostle Josef Mengele; or you prefer to admire the all embracing communism of Jovial Joe ‘We’re all in the gulags together comrades!’ Stalin: the strong will always prosper from the subjugation of the weak. It is unfortunately a fact of life.

stewart · Apr 1, 2020

Brisel said:
Protectionism costs the people one way or another, whether it's tariffs or subsidy payments.

Tariffs and subsidies help those that need it least.

glasshouse · Apr 1, 2020

Brisel said:
Protectionism costs the people one way or another, whether

stewart said:
Tariffs and subsidies help those that need it least.

i think the corn laws were neither subsidy nor tarriff, they were just plain extortion.
Imagine if they had had the power to bottle all the air, what would they have charged for it?

brigadoon · Apr 7, 2020

One minor reason for a reduction of handling capacity in Busan ( Korea not china) and one vessel that will be blanking the next couple of ports on her schedule

glasshouse · Apr 7, 2020

brigadoon said:
One minor reason for a reduction of handling capacity in Busan ( Korea not china) and one vessel that will be blanking the next couple of ports on her schedule

Wtf happened there?

alex04w · Apr 7, 2020

ollandroverman said:
I have buissines both in and outside of farming.
The only one with an agenda is you.

Bossfarmer said:
the same as all farmers... to make money, what a surprise

You claim your agenda is to MAKE money. However all you do is whinge and sulk that you are not being GIVEN more money in subsidies.

Grow up and do as you claim you want to do and go and make some money from farming (or sell up and use your considerable wealth to invest in a business that does make money if you cant make it farming).

Hilly · Apr 7, 2020

alex04w said:
You claim your agenda is to MAKE money. However all you do is whinge and sulk that you are not being GIVEN more money in subsidies.

Grow up and do as you claim you want to do and go and make some money from farming (or sell up and use your considerable wealth to invest in a business that does make money if you cant make it farming).

Funny how folk see everything different , I’ve always felt I can’t make more money than I do already because of subsidy not the lack of it.

DeeGee · Apr 7, 2020

brigadoon said:
One minor reason for a reduction of handling capacity in Busan ( Korea not china) and one vessel that will be blanking the next couple of ports on her schedule

Do you think the insurers will leave at knock for knock?

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