Remember when i was ridiculed for "Food Security" claims?

[DeeGee]

Maybe being 100% self sufficient is not desirable, even it were possible. But this country needs to produce a higher % of its own food whenever possible. Who knows what future world crisis might limit our imports of vital foodstuffs?

If greater self reliance on home grown produce were not so vital why did Churchill say of the perilous state of affairs during WW2 when the U boat campaign in the North Atlantic brought the country close to being starved into submission, and had gone unheeded after a similar situation in WW1; “We must never ever be in this position again”.

Does this not point to the perils of being only about 50% self sufficient?

 

[glasshouse]

Those Catholics

The catholics were chased off all the good land and forced onto the bogs in the west where only potatoes would grow.
That was the cause of the famine

 

[stewart]

The catholics were chased off all the good land and forced onto the bogs in the west where only potatoes would grow.
That was the cause of the famine

The cause of the famine was the English aristocracy refusing to let grain in from the colonies to feed the masses.
The Corn Laws were in place to keep the price of UK grain artificially high, enabling the landed gentry to build their stately homes, whilst the serfs were kept in abject poverty.

 

[stewart]

Maybe being 100% self sufficient is not desirable, even it were possible. But this country needs to produce a higher % of its own food whenever possible. Who knows what future world crisis might limit our imports of vital foodstuffs?

If greater self reliance on home grown produce were not so vital why did Churchill say of the perilous state of affairs during WW2 when the U boat campaign in the North Atlantic brought the country close to being starved into submission, and had gone unheeded after a similar situation in WW1; “We must never ever be in this position again”.

Does this not point to the perils of being only about 50% self sufficient?

A balance between home production and importation is required for food security, relying on only one source makes you food supply less secure, as well as resulting in a boring less well balanced diet.

The UK relies too much on imported produce and more could be grown at home. WTF is wilding all about?

 

[glasshouse]

A balance between home production and importation is required for food security, relying on only one source makes you food supply less secure, as well as resulting in a boring less well balanced diet.

The UK relies too much on imported produce and more could be grown at home. WTF is wilding all about?

Dont you know that they want to cover half the uk with trees, and leave the other half to return to scrub

 

[SilliamWhale]

Which, funnily enough does bring the topic of food security b

Which, funnily enough does bring the topic of food security back to population levels . . .

population control, a touchy, difficult but essential conversation

They tried population control in India post war when they sterilized a lot of women (mainly poor, low caste). Its a world of tears.

 

[stewart]

Dont you know that they want to cover half the uk with trees, and leave the other half to return to scrub

Yes I've heard that, WTF is that all about?

 

[glasshouse]

The cause of the famine was the English aristocracy refusing to let grain in from the colonies to feed the masses.
The Corn Laws were in place to keep the price of UK grain artificially high, enabling the landed gentry to build their stately homes, whilst the serfs were kept in abject poverty.

Yes I've heard that, WTF is that all about?

So there will be more butterflies

 

[stewart]

So there will be more butterflies

Can you eat them?

 

[glasshouse]

Can you eat them?

Might have to learn
Might go well with toasted bark

 

[Farmer Roy]

there are bigger long term concerns with future food security than coronavirus . . .

 

[Yale]

there are bigger long term concerns with future food security than coronavirus . . .

Better start paddling faster....!

Yes,the economic collapse is frightening,going to be massive.

Its like a neatly set table and someone has done that trick pulling the table cloth away.....but it didn’t go well.

 

[Bossfarmer]

A balance between home production and importation is required for food security, relying on only one source makes you food supply less secure, as well as resulting in a boring less well balanced diet.

The UK relies too much on imported produce and more could be grown at home. WTF is wilding all about?

they say its better for the environment then import food from across the world takes 5 times as much land to grow it and often in areas of deforestation

 

[Bossfarmer]

Better start paddling faster....!

Yes,the economic collapse is frightening,going to be massive.

Its like a neatly set table and someone has done that trick pulling the table cloth away.....but it didn’t go well.

america and europe could be worse?

 

[Farmer Roy]

Better start paddling faster....!

Yes,the economic collapse is frightening,going to be massive.

Its like a neatly set table and someone has done that trick pulling the table cloth away.....but it didn’t go well.

the economic collapse doesn't worry me anywhere as much as an environmental one . . .

having experienced the last 2 or 3 years here, climate change IS the big shark

it scares the sh!t out of me more than anything else

 

[Kiwi Pete]

the economic collapse doesn't worry me anywhere as much as an environmental one . . .

having experienced the last 2 or 3 years here, climate change IS the big shark

it scares the sh!t out of me more than anything else

The public reaction towards a pandemic vs the probable end of humanity demonstrates how self-absorbed the majority really are.
This is NOW
That is something for the kids to work out

 

[Brisel]

The cause of the famine was the English aristocracy refusing to let grain in from the colonies to feed the masses.
The Corn Laws were in place to keep the price of UK grain artificially high, enabling the landed gentry to build their stately homes, whilst the serfs were kept in abject poverty.

The Repeal of the Corn Laws made the serfs even more impoverished when domestic prices collapsed & many left to start a new life in America or the colonies. The cause of the famine was repeated crop failures, not protectionist laws. But please don't let the chip on your shoulder skew your reasoning

 

[stewart]

The Repeal of the Corn Laws made the serfs even more impoverished when domestic prices collapsed & many left to start a new life in America or the colonies. The cause of the famine was repeated crop failures, not protectionist laws. But please don't let the chip on your shoulder skew your reasoning

Reasoning is not skewed at all, I suggest you look at the timeline and the mass migration from Ireland.
The potato crop failure was the initial start of the famine, yet whilst the Irish were in desperate need of food, grain and livestock were still exported from Ireland ( along with grain derived alcohol ), farmers had to pay their rent or face eviction.

Around 1 million died of starvation and about twice that number migrated, many to the USA. This migration was when the Corn Laws were in place, not after they were repealed as you suggest.


Grain could have been imported from the colonies to give some relief, however it was prohibitively expensive due to the protectionist policies of the Corn Laws.
The Corn laws also led to many being sent to penal colonies, the artificially high price of grain forced many to steal a loaf of bread to enable hungry families to be fed.

The landed gentry were outraged at Peels suggestion to repeal the Corn Laws as this removed their price protection, however they were repealed gradually from 1846 to 1849.

 

[glasshouse]

Reasoning is not skewed at all, I suggest you look at the timeline and the mass migration from Ireland.
The potato crop failure was the initial start of the famine, yet whilst the Irish were in desperate need of food, grain and livestock were still exported from Ireland ( along with grain derived alcohol ), farmers had to pay their rent or face eviction.

Around 1 million died of starvation and about twice that number migrated, many to the USA. This migration was when the Corn Laws were in place, not after they were repealed as you suggest.


Grain could have been imported from the colonies to give some relief, however it was prohibitively expensive due to the protectionist policies of the Corn Laws.
The Corn laws also led to many being sent to penal colonies, the artificially high price of grain forced many to steal a loaf of bread to enable hungry families to be fed.

The landed gentry were outraged at Peels suggestion to repeal the Corn Laws as this removed their price protection, however they were repealed gradually from 1846 to 1849.

Beware when posting uncomfortable facts about english colonialism
You will be accused of carrying a chip on your shoulder

 

[glasshouse]

Reasoning is not skewed at all, I suggest you look at the timeline and the mass migration from Ireland.
The potato crop failure was the initial start of the famine, yet whilst the Irish were in desperate need of food, grain and livestock were still exported from Ireland ( along with grain derived alcohol ), farmers had to pay their rent or face eviction.

Around 1 million died of starvation and about twice that number migrated, many to the USA. This migration was when the Corn Laws were in place, not after they were repealed as you suggest.


Grain could have been imported from the colonies to give some relief, however it was prohibitively expensive due to the protectionist policies of the Corn Laws.
The Corn laws also led to many being sent to penal colonies, the artificially high price of grain forced many to steal a loaf of bread to enable hungry families to be fed.

The landed gentry were outraged at Peels suggestion to repeal the Corn Laws as this removed their price protection, however they were repealed gradually from 1846 to 1849.

The corn laws were introduced after the rout of napoleon and his socialist ideals to preserve the sky high rents paid during the war.
This was to keep the capital value of estates up so that vast mansions could be built, to lord it over the vanquished peasants who had to endure 30 yrs of austerity .