The effects of the virus on machinery dealers.

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I think @Cowabunga and @Robt are correct with there thinking towards finance and lease companies. Put the boot on the other foot and I doubt the finance houses would give so much as a penny in grace!

Unfortunately that’s life and it works both ways. Ultimately all that will happen is finance companies will manipulate future deals to recover any losses incurred. The wise will be aware of this however many folks who don’t read the detail will get stung.

Won’t bother me as all our vehicles are owned outright for exactly the reasons above!
This was my first PCP. The unfortunate current circumstances and the timing of the end of contract have worked well for me as it happens and I’m jolly glad that I didn’t buy the car. Back it goes. Doesn’t mean that I’ll do it again though.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
This was my first PCP. The unfortunate current circumstances and the timing of the end of contract have worked well for me as it happens and I’m jolly glad that I didn’t buy the car. Back it goes. Doesn’t mean that I’ll do it again though.
Dad and I have said for years there'd be no congestion on the roads if all the vehicles that weren't fully paid for were removed. Maybe we will find out now....

:ROFLMAO:
 
Dad and I have said for years there'd be no congestion on the roads if all the vehicles that weren't fully paid for were removed. Maybe we will find out now....

:ROFLMAO:
According to government guidance you shouldn’t be on the road now unless your journey is necessary or words to that effect, makes you realise how much unnecessary traffic was on the roads.???
 

GeorgeK

Member
Location
Leicestershire
Dad and I have said for years there'd be no congestion on the roads if all the vehicles that weren't fully paid for were removed. Maybe we will find out now....
Funny how not so long ago a monstrous 19 plate German SUV was the thing to be seen in. Now I see one on it's one trip out per week parked at the supermarket and think "Glad I've not got to make the payments on that".
Prefer to have mine now, bit rusty but it was paid for 14 years ago
 
The wording used is "essential"
There is a difference between ' essential ', ' necessary ' and ' not necessary '
I stand corrected, when I wrote my original post I was unsure of the exact wording of the govt advice which is why I added “or words to that effect “, I’m sure the vast majority of the population will be unsure of the exact wording or indeed the difference between not necessary and not essential, it’s the spirit of the Advice rather than the technicalities that’s important.

Anyway now that I’ve been corrected I can happily say that now we can see how much non essential traffic was on the roads before.
Of course my original post was in reply to another post about the quieter roads and was just meant to be humorous which is why I added ???
 
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mf7480

Member
Mixed Farmer
There's no false promise as far as I'm concerned with them. With a lease, I knew the exact cost, both monthly and to buy it out at the end should I be so inclined [which I was until three or four weeks ago]. However, the option is to hand the car back and that is what I have chosen to do. The risk was all theirs. This time I'm sure they have burnt their fingers badly and there will be tens of thousands doing the same as me and, I'm fairly sure, thousands more that will default on legally due payments, letting their cars be repossessed. The finance companies may well be as ruined by this as ordinary businesspeople and workers losing their jobs.
I have bigger fish to fry than worry about finance companies of course.

Is it worth offering them say £20k to take it off their hands? I bet they’d take it
 

Bloders

Member
Location
Ruabon
i think after this virus episonde has finished, there will be a group of people with lots of money, and a group of people with no money.
For people who are still at work - they cannot spend as much as they not allowed out, and cannot go on holiday.
Some people, such as NHS and other "busy types" will also be earning lots of overtime.
For people who are furlough, pretty much as above, expcept the ones on large salaries who now have a much lower salary as furlough is apped at £2500 per month (and will be taxed, so could easily be taxed at 40%.
And then some, especially those self employed who have been doing lots of cash jobs, will be short.

I have a friend who has been "let go" last week. the friend has loans for lots of things including PCP car. The couple probably earned 130K between them, which has now halved, with all the commitments still there (except the holidays of course)

I was going to change my car in a year or two - i will be keeping an eye on used prices as they could be lower than before.
 

Martin Holden

Member
Trade
Location
Cheltenham
Funny how not so long ago a monstrous 19 plate German SUV was the thing to be seen in. Now I see one on it's one trip out per week parked at the supermarket and think "Glad I've not got to make the payments on that".
Prefer to have mine now, bit rusty but it was paid for 14 years ago
Yep, many of this young generation don’t realise that they are only renting a car not buying it. Sometimes that can be an advantage for business if you can justify the cost. Fleets are best funded like that to fix costs. Personally after 38 years of company vehicles I run my own now and as long as you look after them it’s fine. They are still a pit for money though. Only old classics appreciate in value!!
 

Martin Holden

Member
Trade
Location
Cheltenham
i think after this virus episonde has finished, there will be a group of people with lots of money, and a group of people with no money.
For people who are still at work - they cannot spend as much as they not allowed out, and cannot go on holiday.
Some people, such as NHS and other "busy types" will also be earning lots of overtime.
For people who are furlough, pretty much as above, expcept the ones on large salaries who now have a much lower salary as furlough is apped at £2500 per month (and will be taxed, so could easily be taxed at 40%.
And then some, especially those self employed who have been doing lots of cash jobs, will be short.

I have a friend who has been "let go" last week. the friend has loans for lots of things including PCP car. The couple probably earned 130K between them, which has now halved, with all the commitments still there (except the holidays of course)

I was going to change my car in a year or two - i will be keeping an eye on used prices as they could be lower than before.
Surprisingly used car prices haven’t really dropped that much at least not as much as I expected........ yet
 

4course

Member
Location
north yorks
Will there though? If people are sat at home on 80% pay and not spending money on fuel as they're not going anywhere, no daily cups of overpriced coffee, no buying sandwiches for lunch they're probably mnot much worse off than at work
came across an acquaintance in the q for the chemist who was put on the 80% .his works had shut the business earlier and helped all employees, emergency lads on rota etc, good on them( window roofing etc) now on the 80%reckons no transport costs, no pub, no spend on family ,no little luxuries , mrs not spending ,holiday cancelled says hes better off , money in pocket.The question I would like answered is who will end up with the bill,?
I reckon I know whos favorite
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
came across an acquaintance in the q for the chemist who was put on the 80% .his works had shut the business earlier and helped all employees, emergency lads on rota etc, good on them( window roofing etc) now on the 80%reckons no transport costs, no pub, no spend on family ,no little luxuries , mrs not spending ,holiday cancelled says hes better off , money in pocket.The question I would like answered is who will end up with the bill,?
I reckon I know whos favorite

Paye tax payers as usual
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Is it worth offering them say £20k to take it off their hands? I bet they’d take it

They haven't shown any interest so far. It's a bureaucratic institution where nobody that deals with customers has any flexibility or wish to use their own initiative.
Two week ago I would have snapped their hand off if offered for £20k. Today I would hesitate to offer £10k what with dairy farming and the Country going to hell in a handbasket.
 

Wellytrack

Member
Surprisingly used car prices haven’t really dropped that much at least not as much as I expected........ yet

I was told used prices of everything, including cars could be extremely solid post crisis due to to factory closures, waiting times and those who would rather buy a three year old car and save 45% the cost of new. It may be Horlicks. Or it could have an element of truth.
 

Martin Holden

Member
Trade
Location
Cheltenham
I was told used prices of everything, including cars could be extremely solid post crisis due to to factory closures, waiting times and those who would rather buy a three year old car and save 45% the cost of new. It may be Horlicks. Or it could have an element of truth.
I think it has an element of truth. One of the “drivers” for price is availability and until now the glut of 2/3 year old ex PPI cars and short term contract hire has kept used car prices competitive, but maybe with the new car market faltering, that will change. Also the era of company cars being given out like water since the 80’s will also diminish so the manufacturers and dealers will face a decreasing market. Mid quality brand new car prices are now crazy e.g Volvo and Audi. The Koreans are going to wipe the floor with them in certain sectors if not already doing so.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
came across an acquaintance in the q for the chemist who was put on the 80% .his works had shut the business earlier and helped all employees, emergency lads on rota etc, good on them( window roofing etc) now on the 80%reckons no transport costs, no pub, no spend on family ,no little luxuries , mrs not spending ,holiday cancelled says hes better off , money in pocket.The question I would like answered is who will end up with the bill,?
I reckon I know whos favorite
@Clive reckons 80% is going to be tight
 

Derky

Member
Location
Bucks/oxon
But there will be a glut of kit especially lorries and plant as firms go to the wall. Companies are being very unhelpful giving finance holidays. There is literally no work out there.
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
There are always bottom feeders, hoping for some Domesday scenario, that they personally can profit from other poor people's misfortune; waiting for land, rents, houses, car prices, tractor prices, etc to crash. Such individuals seldom come to much good, when opportunities do present, they always think it has still got further to fall...
I hope Karma exists.
 
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quattro

Member
Location
scotland
But there will be a glut of kit especially lorries and plant as firms go to the wall. Companies are being very unhelpful giving finance holidays. There is literally no work out there.
There’s apparently hundreds of lorry’s coming back of contract hire/lease agreements which are way over the top valued and no buyers
 

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