michael N123
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Does he not want shite brought back and spread on his land if 3 crops of grass are going off it ?
Does he not want shite brought back and spread on his land if 3 crops of grass are going off it ?
Would have thought it needs to be down to grass for 5 years to do much good anyway. Longer time frame too, so nobody feels like they've been shafted.
He said in the op that he was buying the seed , with the arable farmer doing the drilling . Which made it seem expensive to me for a year.No no, if the livestock farmer buys the seed he is tied in, and so is the arable man. Been down this lane before...
Exactly what I'm thinking. First year is a means to get my foot in the door. Hopefully will lead to more.
I already get 5 multi cuts of silage on my brash - i don't tend to big myself up much but I can grow good grass, even on brash. I am looking at this arrangement to provide all my grass silage - i can then extend my grazing on the home farm and look to grow more high protein crops to supplement where needed.
You’d think so, but not around here. Only seem interested in maize.Good many dairy farmers would pay £200/acre for ground that would produce three quality cuts ?
Not sure on the price of Westerwolds ,around £30 acre I expect and if farmer drills himself it's nothing much reallyHe said in the op that he was buying the seed , with the arable farmer doing the drilling . Which made it seem expensive to me for a year.
Did it in 2018 after wheat, it’s certainly doable if the weather plays ballWell I have the spring barley straw, so if I clear it quickly he could get it established by say 3rd week August at latest. Id say by end of October there would be a decent bite there, and we are on dry brash so not going to sink out of sight.
Sounds like the ideal potential partnership then. That's very impressive grass yields I'll pm you for some grass growing advice!Exactly what I'm thinking. First year is a means to get my foot in the door. Hopefully will lead to more.
I already get 5 multi cuts of silage on my brash - i don't tend to big myself up much but I can grow good grass, even on brash. I am looking at this arrangement to provide all my grass silage - i can then extend my grazing on the home farm and look to grow more high protein crops to supplement where needed.
Zero tilled after a run of arable crops? How level will it be when you come to cut it?
Could be like driving over a hundred acre cattle grid!
Why doesn't he sow clover as a break crop? Then you could have some top quality forage while he gets a N boost for the next crop
What is his rotation?, we rotate our arable with grass lays and work on 2 yearsNeighbouring arable farmer has approached me about renting some land from him to grow Italian ryegrass instead of him growing OSR as a break. Would be about 100ac which will help me enormously as I am always tight for grass.
He would zero till the grass in behind spring barley at his cost. I would provide and pay for the seed and from there on in provide and apply all the fert and inputs required at my cost. All fine.
The grass will only be in for 1 year before being pulled out for wheat. So, in theory id vacate the land by September. Would like to think I'd get an autumn cut after establishing (if its a kind autumn), then 3 cuts the following year.
Whats this worth? I really want 2 years but he's keen on one to keep his rotation. I'd have to lean towards a westerwolds mix for the rapid and short term growth.
Anyone have a similar agreement and care to share experiences?!
I agree there!, sounds like he will gain all the benifits and you are taking a rist if it dosent establish well. Depending what lay you use you will be paying for and fixing N in the ground for him to use.If your paying for seed/feet and spray . I wouldn’t pay him anything. Rent on top you would be better off buying forage in when you need it . Plus he will benefit from it been in grass!
Will you get the yield with that, especially after a few years ( I think it’s a 5 yr option), with no fertiliser allowed ?Maybe suggest the farmer put it into a mid tier GS4 Grass, legume and herbage mix for 2 years, RPA will pay him £309/ha/yr to grow it, benefits his soil much better than straight ryegrass and you get a better quality forage