2/3rd of it I think ?
The Ineos Grenadier thread
- Thread starter JP1
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I suspect hydrogen is just to expensive atm. It consumes massive amounts electricity in its processing, making it an unattractive option compared to straightforward renewable electricity vehicles.
ollie989898
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Obtaining it, compressing/liquefying it and storing it all a PITA. Hydrogen fuel cells, great, need a platinum catalyst for that, about 60 grams per vehicle. World platinum production is less than 200 tonnes a year. Call it 4 million cars then. Great.
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2/18ths by weight, so about 11% actually. And it takes a lot of energy to get it out of the water.
I knew there was a catch ??
barleybasher
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I actually really like the look of this, especially with a BMW Straight Six engine 
Hilly
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marco
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Can't you run an internal combustion engine on hydrogen?
ollie989898
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Yes, you can very readily, the only waste product coming out of the exhaust in that scenario is water.
Although I quite like the look of the Grenadier we will have to wait for more details and price before knowing if it can even be a contender in the work vehicle market. Mean while I found this old photo of the Land Cruiser I imported. I had the hard top built for it
hintonroadhero
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So just spent the day at the new LR Defender press launch...general looks are a bit marmite... love it or hate it..fit and finish?..excellent....on-road? ...very stable ..very comfortable....off-road?.....probably the best you can get...gave it some serious testing on clay tracks after heavy rain.. with wading through 700mm deep water..unstoppable...hill descent and hill stop system..superb...don't think there's another off road vehicle that will touch it at the moment and that includes the rest of the JLR SUV range!! a few oldies about for the diehards
I’m seeing zero axle articulation
You just described the Ford Ranger
hintonroadhero
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ollie989898
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It is myth that no other SUV can off-road besides a Defender. Where does this bilge stem from? Do Land Rover have a a way of defeating the laws of physics that no other car manufacturer has?
ford was not stupid when they was involved .then supplied Land Rover with all their parts engine gearbox, They got a market With the Ranger what Land Rover as lost .quote came from a car Designer who is now working on the grenadier The Land Rover brand may be getting better but the dealers need a kick up the arse that’s the biggest problem arrogant attitude and snobbery.
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Unfortunately its in Spanish but you get the jist.
My first impression of Landrover electronic traction control was in our 99 discovery 2 auto.
It was absolutely hopeless on a slightly muddy surface.I have since learnt I was driving it all wrong.Instead of getting a bit of momentum and just applying enough throttle to get you through, you have to drive like an idiot,foot to the floor so you don't loose your momentum when the ETC brakes the spinning wheels.
In the above Video the new defender copes with some challenging terrain, nearly as well as the G wagon with locking diffs,However it is the last challenge that proves which will make the best off-road tow car.How can it perform with a 3500kg trailer if it can't even tow a < 2 tonne G-Wagon.
Cowabunga
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What they used to boast about was superior axle articulation and ground clearance to the side of the differentials, but road handling takes a higher priority these days and the use of clever electronics and a very stiff bodyshell with air suspension more than makes up for less articulation.
Whether others equal or better the current models in extreme conditions is an interesting question. No doubt there will soon be side by side comparisons with a whole host of competing models, including Jeep Wrangler and Ford Bronco, as well as with Discovery5 and ye olde Defender. Why not compare the new Defender with the Ranger Wildtrak 2.0 with 10 speed auto even? It's a fair comparison even though a business could easily buy two Rangers for the price of one well equipped Defender 110 [First Edition].