Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

Henarar · Aug 7, 2020

Optimus said:
If I'd of sold my cattle live over the last 2 years I'd of got less for them. Even now there's not much in it, between our local (55 mile away) market.an the abattoir 15 mile away.

That's as maybe but the question is do you as a deadweight seller gain from those that sell liveweight and in doing so keep the markets open ?
Or to put it another way would you have got as much money for your cattle over the last two years had there been no fatstock markets in the country ?

goodevans · Aug 7, 2020

Let's just say horses for courses but not horses for pies

Optimus · Aug 7, 2020

Henarar said:
That's as maybe but the question is do you as a deadweight seller gain from those that sell liveweight and in doing so keep the markets open ?
Or to put it another way would you have got as much money for your cattle over the last two years had there been no fatstock markets in the country ?

Honestly no idea that's crystal ball stuff.just know in my situation selling dead I have been better off with the majority of my cattle.

Jackov Altraids · Aug 7, 2020

I hope / think that selling live/dead compliment each other but either would suffer with the demise of the other.
I'm not sure how the infrastructure would cope without selling direct and the price would be on the floor without markets.
The danger probably comes from contracts which stop people from being able to swap and change to keep all honest.

Farmer1001 · Aug 7, 2020

Live can’t replace selling dead, we don’t have the infrastructure to do so, indeed they do compliment each other nicely- the biggest deadweight sellers in the country are also some of the biggest buyers of feeding cattle in the store markets.

Aspiring Peasants · Aug 7, 2020

Werzle said:
Bit harsh. As much as i would like everyone to sell live i dont think the markets we have left could cope with the sheer numbers if everybody decided to sell live.

I see ireland just cannot rid its meat packing /slaughtering plants of coronavirus, logistics of killing cattle and sheep is a massive headache for them and must be helping our trade. I can quite easy see £4 /kg for beef now in the coming months

I'm sorry my post is a bit harsh. It's just I have worked in other industries and I know how big companies aim to control and manipulate small suppliers. I think farmers are very naive about marketing. This price tracker would read very differently if the live markets weren't supported. I never see many entries for pig prices for example!

I thats it · Aug 7, 2020

muleman said:
Im not wanting to argue or upset anyone either but... i went live with lambs first couple of weeks of july this year with my best sorts and sent ofhers dead same weeks...i was between £5 and £8 better dead for my type of lambs....i worked out if i took them all live i would be around £5000 short by the end of the season .
So its alright saying go live but what would anyone else do in my situation?

I suppose being £5,000 better off this year is great for this year. The problem comes when deadweight becomes the only option. We've all seen what happens when they've got the job sown up

livestock 1 · Aug 7, 2020

I’ve just come up with the answer.

Us liveweight sellers should charge a levy to all dw sellers payable back to us.
As we are taking a sh!t price on their behalf, travelling further,spending more time and most importantly securing their base prices for them.
Look at us like a type of EBLEX but one that actually does something instead of sitting on a beach drinking out of fancy glasses with umbrellas in.

muleman · Aug 7, 2020

I thats it said:
I suppose being £5,000 better off this year is great for this year. The problem comes when deadweight becomes the only option. We've all seen what happens when they've got the job sown up

We all know that but its alright people coming on the forum and saying this but how many would actually do it and lose money to do what is 'right'?
You never hear deadweight sellers criticising the live sellers, we accept, or i do, that some lambs are better live and some dead, to say we should be hanging our heads in shame is a bit strong in my opinion, we all have a business to run the best way we can.

z.man · Aug 7, 2020

livestock 1 said:
I’ve just come up with the answer.

Us liveweight sellers should charge a levy to all dw sellers payable back to us.
As we are taking a sh!t price on their behalf, travelling further,spending more time and most importantly securing their base prices for them.
Look at us like a type of EBLEX but one that actually does something instead of sitting on a beach drinking out of fancy glasses with umbrellas in.

Think you’re mistaken here......it’s the orderly marketing of deadweight that allows the fluctuations in the live ring

if we all go live there would possibly be even bigger swings in price plenty of men now market 300-500 lambs at a time which is fine if they are all booked and allocated a spot but the thought of turning up at the market and following some of these big lots through the ring could be frightening infact it would be difficult to handle all the deadweight lambs back through markets now

ps I’m just poking the bear so as to speak

livestock 1 · Aug 7, 2020

z.man said:
Think you’re mistaken here......it’s the orderly marketing of deadweight that allows the fluctuations in the live ring if we all go live there would possibly be even bigger swings in price plenty of men now market 300-500 lambs at a time which is fine if they are all booked and allocated a spot but the thought of turning up at the market and following some of these big lots through the ring could be frightening infact it would be difficult to handle all the deadweight lambs back through markets now ps I’m just poking the bear so as to speak

Haha

You didn’t think I was being serious I hope?
It was merely in jest.
I don’t think there’s any real answer to this to be fair.
Some markets could easily accommodate those numbers but not many.

Woolless · Aug 7, 2020

livestock 1 said:
Haha
You didn’t think I was being serious I hope?
It was merely in jest.
I don’t think there’s any real answer to this to be fair.
Some markets could easily accommodate those numbers but not many.

There's not an answer as it's advantageous having both avenues open to sell your stock

Having said that, if it was one or the other for evermore it would have to be live selling, given the increasing dominance of the big Irish firms.

Chuckie · Aug 7, 2020

Aspiring Peasants said:
I'm not saying this to deliberately upset people but it's something I feel very strongly. When you see how the live markets system is pushing prices upwards, anyone who has been selling dead weight rather than live in recent years should be hanging their heads in shame

Have you got any suggestions on how anyone finishing any number of cattle gets round the the 6 day rule?

Raider112 · Aug 7, 2020

Aspiring Peasants said:
I'm not saying this to deliberately upset people but it's something I feel very strongly. When you see how the live markets system is pushing prices upwards, anyone who has been selling dead weight rather than live in recent years should be hanging their heads in shame

A lot of things come into it for different people, 6 day rule, proximity to market, TB restrictions or pre movement test required, a couple of those affect me just now but I agree that it's vital that enough of us use them.

muleman · Aug 7, 2020

Chuckie said:
Have you got any suggestions on how anyone finishing any number of cattle gets round the the 6 day rule?

Another one of the main reasons we go deadweight during the busy autumn sale season.

livestock 1 · Aug 7, 2020

One thing is for certain we have all seen the effects of dw only being available and it ain’t good.
Worryingly lw has been in decline and some auction marts accounts are in a poor state of health.
Often as prices rise lw leads the way and when prices drop the same applies.
Theres a danger that dw will keep attracting more vendors causing the end of more markets then we know what the next move will be then.
As for the hundreds of lambs causing gluts in live auctions and the effects of such wouldn’t be such an issue. The numbers would be just the same and lambs could still be placed as they always were/are

george 600 · Aug 7, 2020

Woodheads and Foyle both up 2p on clean. Foyle back 10p on cows

Henarar · Aug 7, 2020

Chuckie said:
Have you got any suggestions on how anyone finishing any number of cattle gets round the the 6 day rule?

what has the 6 day rule got to do with if you sell live or dead ?

livestock 1 · Aug 7, 2020

Henarar said:
what has the 6 day rule got to do with if you sell live or dead ?

You can’t sell to green markets if you are on standstill but can send off direct.

Werzle · Aug 7, 2020

george 600 said:
Woodheads and Foyle both up 2p on clean. Foyle back 10p on cows

They will not get offered any cows trying drops like that

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