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H200GT · Aug 8, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Not just you, but I find it a bit worrying that people seem to think it's OK to drive at a speed that won't allow them to stop/avoid a sudden hazard.

Theory test includes hazard perception which covers things like parked cars suddenly opening their doors, pedestrians walking into the road without looking etc. etc. Basically expect the unexpected!

Would you drive down a suburban street where each house has it's own drive and not think that someone might pull out?

Same on a rural road with field gates.

I don't agree. You can only see and react to developing hazards that are visible in good time. The hazard perception tests test your ability to see and react to a developing hazard.

we don't know enough about this collision to make a judgment on what happened here. But if that was an A road at the national speed limit, and something or someone pulls instantly out of a blind entrance within the 60mph braking distance of the car and if there was oncoming traffic it would be impossible to avoid it.

you can barely make out that is a gateway looking at it square on, you would have no chance of seeing it travelling on the road.

chickens and wheat · Aug 8, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Not just you, but I find it a bit worrying that people seem to think it's OK to drive at a speed that won't allow them to stop/avoid a sudden hazard.

Theory test includes hazard perception which covers things like parked cars suddenly opening their doors, pedestrians walking into the road without looking etc. etc. Basically expect the unexpected!

Would you drive down a suburban street where each house has it's own drive and not think that someone might pull out?

Same on a rural road with field gates.

So its ok to just pull out blind as the idiots in the cars are speeding?
What if its your wife, kids etc in the aproaching car.
Stop making excuses and dont use blind exits

Tomr10 · Aug 8, 2020

Hard to see with nothing on the front

Pennine Ploughing · Aug 8, 2020

Andrew said:
IIRC There are exemptions listed above For ag, but which main rule is that under?

The bit I quoted was from the agricultural section, it say that in the quote, I asked you how you interpret it,, the bit is 82 in the link you posted

Pennine Ploughing · Aug 8, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Not just you, but I find it a bit worrying that people seem to think it's OK to drive at a speed that won't allow them to stop/avoid a sudden hazard.

Theory test includes hazard perception which covers things like parked cars suddenly opening their doors, pedestrians walking into the road without looking etc. etc. Basically expect the unexpected!

Would you drive down a suburban street where each house has it's own drive and not think that someone might pull out?

Same on a rural road with field gates.

Your on about the driving test, so can you point out where it says it's ok to pull out of a field gateway in front of traffic on the road, as they are expected to stop ?

Pennine Ploughing · Aug 8, 2020

I really cannot believe them implying the car driver is at fault for not being able to stop, it just goes to show them posting this has a cavalier attitude to thinking they have right of way, cause they are driving a tractor, ffs

Andrew · Aug 8, 2020

Pennine Ploughing said:
I really cannot believe them implying the car driver is at fault for not being able to stop, it just goes to show them posting this has a cavalier attitude to thinking they have right of way, cause they are driving a tractor, ffs

The main rule of the road is to avoid a collision at all costs, just because you have right of way does not mean you can drive into someone in the wrong.

Pennine Ploughing · Aug 8, 2020

Andrew said:
The main rule of the road is to avoid a collision at all costs, just because you have right of way does not mean you can drive into someone in the wrong.

Looking at the entrance to field, would you say it was clear to be seen and a tractor may pull out,

JP1 · Aug 8, 2020

H200GT said:
I don't agree. You can only see and react to developing hazards that are visible in good time. The hazard perception tests test your ability to see and react to a developing hazard.

we don't know enough about this collision to make a judgment on what happened here. But if that was an A road at the national speed limit, and something or someone pulls instantly out of a blind entrance within the 60mph braking distance of the car and if there was oncoming traffic it would be impossible to avoid it.

you can barely make out that is a gateway looking at it square on, you would have no chance of seeing it travelling on the road.

I disagree

Your hazard perception can include combine dust , sounds , most gateways are actually visible so you should anticipate tractors emerging during harvest yes

A National speed limit is just that, not a target

betweenthelines · Aug 8, 2020

Is it any different from hitting the vehicle in front just because it stops suddenly?

Try doing that and you can telling your Insurance that it's not your fault because the shouldn't have stopped?

Or knocking down a child that runs into the road?

Andrew · Aug 8, 2020

Pennine Ploughing said:
Looking at the entrance to field, would you say it was clear to be seen and a tractor may pull out,

The entrance wasn’t clear to be seen, no. But there is no solid white line at the edge of the road indicating there may be unmarked access. The trees and foliage are slightly back from the road, so the front mower should have been plainly visible as a potential hazard.

C.J · Aug 8, 2020

puppet said:
Too fast, bale spike sticking straight out and no front wheel braking?
Only defence was there any oil/diesel spillage at that corner?

The screw driver tried to cut the corner - the front wheel was on the grass before he locked up and lost the back end.

Andrew · Aug 8, 2020

Pennine Ploughing said:
The bit I quoted was from the agricultural section, it say that in the quote, I asked you how you interpret it,, the bit is 82 in the link you posted

See here for a laymans summary by Mike Braithwaite

Wombat · Aug 8, 2020

JP1 said:
I disagree

Your hazard perception can include combine dust , sounds , most gateways are actually visible so you should anticipate tractors emerging during harvest yes

A National speed limit is just that, not a target

But there is a point where it cannot be avoided Regardless of the speed/splay/visibility. So the emerging vehicle should have, mirrors/cameras/the window open so they can see, hear approaching vehicles and prepare to stop.

I know of 2 people who were done for driving Without due care and attention for hitting another vehicle while emerging from the left into traffic. One was reversing off his drive the other was pulling out of a gateway

JP1 · Aug 8, 2020

Wombat said:
But there is a point where it cannot be avoided Regardless of the speed/splay/visibility. So the emerging vehicle should have, mirrors/cameras/the window open so they can see, hear approaching vehicles and prepare to stop.

I know of 2 people who were done for driving Without due care and attention for hitting another vehicle while emerging from the left into traffic. One was reversing off his drive the other was pulling out of a gateway

I’d agree with all of that too

I was trying to answer on the hazard perception bit

The times I’ve walked down a road to check cattle and folks fly round the bend , anchor up and frown or can’t stop and overtake me in to the path of oncoming cars. Often they yell they were only doing x mph . Not interested . I now keep a stick slightly out and they appear more worried about scratching their car than the woman who hit my elbow with her Shogun door mirror

roscoe erf · Aug 8, 2020

Wishful Thinker said:
Check this out on Agriland - Video: Dramatic scenes as tractor overturns in Wexford https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/video-dramatic-scenes-as-tractor-overturns-in-wexford/

you should see the video of them recovering it

roscoe erf · Aug 8, 2020

Deerefarmer said:
In which case I would get a safety flare out of the pack you should have in each tractor and place one in the road

not required in the uk in fact not even sure we could buy/use them here

Sid · Aug 8, 2020

Andrew said:
Actually I did a hazard perception test last year for another category and one of the hazards was a tractor pulling out of the field. You could just see a bit of the cab through the trees a couple hundred yards ahead then the bonnet pulling out

Thats because your a farmer and was looking over the hedge, the fact is whilst you were doing that you went up the back of Doris out for her weekly tip to the bingo, but you saw the tractor 2 fields away

ridger · Aug 8, 2020

Tomr10 said:
I dont understand why people run them up in the air all the time

Shouldn't matter, nothing on the loader.

v8willy · Aug 9, 2020

BigBarl said:
While cameras are good for front mounted equipment you don’t even need to go through the expense of that. My Dad put a wide angle lorry mirror set on our front weights set at 45 degrees so you can see around a corner from the cab. Simple, cheap, and saved plenty of near misses over the years. I would hate to drive around with any front mounted equipment without any blind spot aid and in my mind It’s irresponsible of us farmers to think other road users will see us creeping out and move/stop. Like with the BMW and front mower above, that was an accident waiting to happen.

Had 2 mirrors on the last front mower for the first year, they were ok but took a good bit of vision away themselves due to the size of them.
Have a camera pointing right now & a mirror pointing left, the camera is miles better vision, kinda have to think ahead with the mirror to position the tractor correctly so you can see, the camera shows more from any angle.

betweenthelines said:
Is it any different from hitting the vehicle in front just because it stops suddenly?

You need a reason to stop surely? otherwise there wouldn't be any car on the road over 5 years of age, just pull onto the motorway & slam the brakes on, whoever runs into the back of you is at fault & their insurance buys you a new car...

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