Ideal combine

Tomr10

Member
Amazes me how these huge combines stuff so much crop up the feeder elevator, that opening and elevator doesn't look big enough when compared to normal size machines!
From what I understand yield is so poor it's not a issue that's why they run such massive headers. If they tried it with a decent crop big difference.
 
To be honest, it's no surprise that manufacturers aren't that keen to avoid high profile social media users in case the machine has an issue. Mike hasn't exactly been complimentary about the Fendt, his 1050 tractor and other things before.

Maybe Deere have found an issue with their machine and will sort it for next season, who knows.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
Bit of a risk sending it somewhere like Mitchells, who will actually tell you the good and bad points.
Far better to send it to a tame JD user like Millennial farmer. He had big transmission problems on one of his very low houred Deere's recently, barely a peep about it. Think he was hoping Deere would help him move it on but they had it fixed in the end.
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
you have to remember that while CNH have apparently retained the drum dimensions of a combine from history in one of their latest models . AGCO have absolutely no remaining combine history of their own. The last MF plant was sold by Massey Ferguson in their final bankruptcy death throws.
AGCO in current form are relying on cast out technology from the CNH group who as mentioned above retained the best

Gleaners have a very long history & are AGCO’s main combine brand here, I’m interested to know which “cast out technology from CNH” is being used in an S98 . . . I think it owes more to an Allis N7 than anything else
Gleaner is even the “G” in the brand name AGCO

As for MF, haven’t seen many around here since the 70’s
 
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Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Amazes me how these huge combines stuff so much crop up the feeder elevator, that opening and elevator doesn't look big enough when compared to normal size machines!
Err, by “normal size”, do you mean small ? 🤣

you have to remember, that in North America ( & Australia ) that generally they are only cutting the heads off the crop - they aren’t cutting at ground level & shoving all the straw through the machine as well . . .
my harvesting contractor can easily harvest 3t / acre grain sorghum at + 10km / hr with a 40’ front on a 7*** ( ??? can never remember the model numbers ) JD, at close to 100 t / hour, because we are only putting the heads through it
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
Gleaners have a very long history & are AGCO’s main combine brand here, I’m interested to know which “cast out technology from CNH” is being used in an S98 . . . I think it owes more to an Allis N7 than anything else
I was referring to a quote about MF combines. Of course this is all about badge technology nothing else. The Allis Chalmers gleaner brand was sold to Fiat a very long time ago and the gleaner technology incorporated into the Fiat and Then New Holland machines of the day. Agco bought the name of Gleaner back from CNH when they had to dump a lot of their product line due to competition rules. They used this name in America to sell machines , to brand loyal customers, which were also sold as MF etc. these were also sold in Europe under the Fendt / MF brand. The MF brand has got so toxic they are now selling their machines under a variety of names but not MF.
 

tom3690

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Trade
Location
Gloucestershire
Err, by “normal size”, do you mean small ? 🤣

you have to remember, that in North America ( & Australia ) that generally they are only cutting the heads off the crop - they aren’t cutting at ground level & shoving all the straw through the machine as well . . .
my harvesting contractor can easily harvest 3t / acre grain sorghum at + 10km / hr with a 40’ front on a 7*** ( ??? can never remember the model numbers ) JD, at close to 100 t / hour, because we are only putting the heads through it
clearly depends on the crop. They are currently cutting red lentils and have the headers virtually shaving the ground !
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
clearly depends on the crop. They are currently cutting red lentils and have the headers virtually shaving the ground !

yeah of course, but red lentils dont have the sheer bulk of say 3t / acre of barley that’s fallen flat on the ground . . .
We harvest chickpeas & mungbeans flat on the ground also due to low growing pods, but there is bûgger all straw compared to a cereal crop
 

tom3690

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Trade
Location
Gloucestershire
yeah of course, but red lentils dont have the sheer bulk of say 3t / acre of barley that’s fallen flat on the ground . . .
We harvest chickpeas & mungbeans flat on the ground also due to low growing pods, but there is bûgger all straw compared to a cereal crop
Agreed. It’s all crop dependent. It’s still a shame we didn’t get to see a comparison no matter what the crop in front of them
 

FarmyStu

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Location
NE Lincs
I think people who use social media a lot overestimate it's influence. So some bloke, who 99.9999% of combine buyers have never heard of doesn't get a demo. Will it really matter? He does have a fleet of Ideals but I haven't noticed them selling like hot cakes this harvest. He's also had problems with Fendt. Have we all stopped buying them? I think most farmers buy based on their own experiences and those of neighbours. The rantings of some American are of interest to tractor geeks like me and others on this site only IMO.
 
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farenheit

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Location
Midlands
I think people who use social media a lot overestimate it's influence. So some bloke, who 99.9999% of combine buyers have never heard of doesn't get a demo. Will it really matter? He does have a fleet of Ideals but I haven't noticed them selling like hot cakes this harvest. He's also had problems with Fendt. Have we all stopped buying them? I think most farmers buy based on their own experiences and those of neighbors. The rantings of some American are of interest to tractor geeks like me and others on this site only IMO.
Quite. The vast majority of his followers won't be people who are buying tractors. It will be kids.

The big estates who are buying a dozen tractors at a time aren't basing their decisions off of youtube videos.
 

daveydiesel1

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
Gleaners have a very long history & are AGCO’s main combine brand here, I’m interested to know which “cast out technology from CNH” is being used in an S98 . . . I think it owes more to an Allis N7 than anything else
Gleaner is even the “G” in the brand name AGCO

As for MF, haven’t seen many around here since the 70’s
Is the gleaner combine the same as the ideal or different?
 

FarmyStu

Member
Location
NE Lincs
I was referring to a quote about MF combines. Of course this is all about badge technology nothing else. The Allis Chalmers gleaner brand was sold to Fiat a very long time ago and the gleaner technology incorporated into the Fiat and Then New Holland machines of the day. Agco bought the name of Gleaner back from CNH when they had to dump a lot of their product line due to competition rules. They used this name in America to sell machines , to brand loyal customers, which were also sold as MF etc. these were also sold in Europe under the Fendt / MF brand. The MF brand has got so toxic they are now selling their machines under a variety of names but not MF.
Gleaner combines are not badge engineered models from other manufacturers. They're AGCO but they are the only model of their type and quite unique as far as I know. Take a look at the rotor and you'll see for yourself.

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quattro

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Location
scotland
I think people who use social media a lot overestimate it's influence. So some bloke, who 99.9999% of combine buyers have never heard of doesn't get a demo. Will it really matter? He does have a fleet of Ideals but I haven't noticed them selling like hot cakes this harvest. He's also had problems with Fendt. Have we all stopped buying them? I think most farmers buy based on their own experiences and those of neighbours. The rantings of some American are of interest to tractor geeks like me and others on this site only IMO.
It must ideal for agco to have seven combines all working together for a long period to test them and have someone there keeping a eye on them
 

tom3690

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Trade
Location
Gloucestershire
Quite. The vast majority of his followers won't be people who are buying tractors. It will be kids.

The big estates who are buying a dozen tractors at a time aren't basing their decisions off of youtube videos.
Not entirely sure I agree. His messages seem well written on the whole and from a real cross section of generations. To label his followers as kids is entirely without foundation. There are plenty of comments from enthusiastic 'kids' but plenty more from farmers and others.
Whether his videos are relevant or otherwise to JD or the wider farming community is actually neither here nor there.
The simple fact is that JD agreed a demo of this combine to a current user of their machines and a very recent ( last harvest ) user of their combines.
They delivered it to the dealer he uses and at the 11th hour decided not to go ahead with the demo.
That is the issue, not his 'fame' as a youtuber nor his followers.
If JD agreed a demo for you on a machine, no matter what it was and then decided to withdraw it, would you not feel a tad peed off and want to know why ??
JD have not honored an agreement. He makes it clear he likes JD and has no real 'colour' bias. What is clear is that he uses his machines hard and they cover a massive acreage. We will probably never know the truth behind their decision to renege on their demo as it will be lost in the PR spin they all spew.
 

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