Ultra Reliable Tractor?

FarmyStu

Member
Location
NE Lincs
Too many variables. A huge factor over long hours is how sympathetically it's been driven. It's impossible to determine this unless you know the operator very well.

Some tractors are more reliable than others in certain roles. Someone has already mentioned Fastrac 3220s. I worked at a contractor's who ran 13 of these and similar to big hours. I drove one with 18k hours and all of the others were 10k plus. This was on heavy tanker work on roads in the main, which is very hard on a tractor. They ran and ran and ran. Gearbox ( Eaton), engine and clutch failures were all but unknown. Would they be that reliable on heavy draft work? I've no idea but would guess a JD 8010 or Case Magnum would be better. What do you want it for?
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Was it not bought by John Deere after they had developed the electronic power shift that went into the 30series Ford? I seem to recall that they wanted the technology as Ford were market leaders at the time?
Funk was bought by Deere around 30 years ago if I remember correctly. I just can't remember when the 30 series power shifts were made and I only recall ever having a short demo in the later Genesis series which were made by Versatile in Canada for Ford.
Funk sold that transmission to several Ford rivals, including AGCO which matched it to a David Brown back axle and Cummins engine and sold it as an AGCO Allis and Massey Ferguson plus iirc as a White.
 

FarmyStu

Member
Location
NE Lincs
Funk was bought by Deere around 30 years ago if I remember correctly. I just can't remember when the 30 series power shifts were made and I only recall ever having a short demo in the later Genesis series which were made by Versatile in Canada for Ford.
Funk sold that transmission to several Ford rivals, including AGCO which matched it to a David Brown back axle and Cummins engine and sold it as an AGCO Allis and Massey Ferguson plus iirc as a White.
I've a sprayer with a JD engine and Funk gearbox running through a torque converter. Lovely setup.
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Fendt 700’s are bombproof, I could list the problems we have had over 3 tractors and 15-20k hours total so far on a very small piece of paper

you get what you pay for here
To be fair, that is only 5000-6600 hours per tractor.
we have always run Massey to those hours with very little problems.
The issue for Pete isn’t the first 6000 hours, but the next 6000 hours it’s going to do!
And I would say that our farm has done a lot more hours with Massey tractors than 20000! Seems we have got what we paid for too!
 
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Funk was bought by Deere around 30 years ago if I remember correctly. I just can't remember when the 30 series power shifts were made and I only recall ever having a short demo in the later Genesis series which were made by Versatile in Canada for Ford.
Funk sold that transmission to several Ford rivals, including AGCO which matched it to a David Brown back axle and Cummins engine and sold it as an AGCO Allis and Massey Ferguson plus iirc as a White.
That sounds right, I think 30series were very late 80’s early 90’s. So that would be about right. The next generation of that transmission went into the Genesis 70series and the Cat challenger 35,45 and 55 amongst others. At the time Versitile were still Ford owned.
 

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
Those old DX Deutz just kept going if oil changed every 200. So simple to work on too.
A DX160 or 7.10 but you'd need to put an air seat in it to do a days work.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
To be fair, that is only 5000-6600 hours per tractor.
we have always run Massey to those hours with very little problems.
The issue for Pete isn’t the first 6000 hours, but the next 6000 hours it’s going to do!
And I would say that our farm has done a lot more hours with Massey tractors than 20000! Seems we have got what we paid for too!

our oldest is over 8k now, younest is over 2k. Others we have run sold at over 5k hrs, but only because the deal was right, they were still 100% ok - I woukd happly run a well (dealer) serviced one way beyond 10k hours (and intend to)
 

FarmyStu

Member
Location
NE Lincs
our oldest is over 8k now, younest is over 2k. Others we have run sold at over 5k hrs, but only because the deal was right, they were still 100% ok - I woukd happly run a well (dealer) serviced one way beyond 10k hours (and intend to)
I really don't equate dealer serviced with well serviced. A good mechanic is a good mechanic, dealer or not. The problem is that some dealers mechanic's are not worthy of the name. Plus, servicing is often left to the apprentice in my experience.
 

H200GT

Member
Location
NORTH WALES
That xtx200 has been up for sale for must be 12 months?

its far to expensive, needs to be sub 20k, even sub 18k to be fair value imo. Its a tidy bus, but at some point you will be delving into that gearbox, and it wont be cheap.

Im a big fan of running older kit provided its reliable, but as they get older one has to consider parts availability and the knowledge to repair them. This is where mainstream brands win hands down.
 

Tomr10

Member
its far to expensive, needs to be sub 20k, even sub 18k to be fair value imo. Its a tidy bus, but at some point you will be delving into that gearbox, and it wont be cheap.

Im a big fan of running older kit provided its reliable, but as they get older one has to consider parts availability and the knowledge to repair them. This is where mainstream brands win hands down.
Think that's why it's for so much it had a gearbox issue that I guess cost him more than he wanted now needs to make money back
 

Kevtherev

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Location
Welshpool Powys
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