There you go then. Lucky you.Can't say I fancy recently applied Glyphosate in my Weetabix. Having said that, it's never necessary to desiccate here.
Glyphosate
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Maybe desiccating should only be banned for crops going directly for human consumption?
It would be a brave man who would stake his life on there being no health problems with glyphosate. We have certainly seen quite a number of successful litigations around the world by individuals who have supposedly been made very ill by it. I am personally sceptical about these claims atm, if the product has been used and applied correctly. But you only have to look at the massive amount of Glyphosate that is often used on crops like GM soya in South America where 6 or 7 applications can often be applied. That can neither be good for the soil microbiome or the consumer.
Cowabunga
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6 or 7 applications? What for? Have you any evidence for that?Maybe desiccating should only be banned for crops going directly for human consumption?
It would be a brave man who would stake his life on there being no health problems with glyphosate. We have certainly seen quite a number of successful litigations around the world by individuals who have supposedly been made very ill by it. I am personally sceptical about these claims atm, if the product has been used and applied correctly. But you only have to look at the massive amount of Glyphosate that is often used on crops like GM soya in South America where 6 or 7 applications can often be applied. That can neither be good for the soil microbiome or the consumer.
What has that got to do with us anyway?
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It will be of major interest if the Government allows the use of GM. And it also reinforces the risks of very high residual levels with late applications in the paper.
If you are using a GM Roundup ready crop you only need the one herbicide but you have to keep reapplying it as it has no residual properties. If you assume at even around a Kg a Ha of Glyphosate for a normal application the figures reported below look pretty horrendous:-
"These data nonetheless might not represent the actual agricultural practices under commercial conditions in many regions. For example, a study from Argentina reported glyphosate/GBH application rates of no less than 10 kg/ha (a.i.) [50]. Almeida et al. [51] analysed herbicide use in Brazil between 2000 and 2012 and reported an increase to more than 9 kg/ha of glyphosate (a.i.) for soybeans. Based on the data available, Miyazaki et al. [52] concluded that farmers’ use of 6–7 kg/ha (a.i.) seems to be relatively common and even 8–10 kg/ha (a.i.) can be expected under current farming conditions in Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay "
The whole paper is below for those who are interested:
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If you got rid of it you would have to unwind the clock
That would be better in someways . Arable farms would get smaller having to wait for their corn to ripen - that would give us moretime to bale the straw. We used to have a 3 week break between Winter Barley and wheat in the good old days . The spring barley at the end - now its one mad rush 500 acres has become 5000 acres
Just like the rotary palour has bought about 2000 cow herds
That would be better in someways . Arable farms would get smaller having to wait for their corn to ripen - that would give us moretime to bale the straw. We used to have a 3 week break between Winter Barley and wheat in the good old days . The spring barley at the end - now its one mad rush 500 acres has become 5000 acres
Just like the rotary palour has bought about 2000 cow herds
Cowabunga
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You do not have to keep reapplying it, because once weeds have germinated and been killed, they don't come back like boomerangs.
There is no mention of two or three applications in the above quote, which "might not represent the actual agricultural practices under commercial conditions in many regions". So please do better than that to substantiate your claim that they apply it seven or eight times on a single crop. I look forward with interest for the proof and reason for doing this but I'm not holding my breath.
Cowabunga
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I look forward to you providing us with a regular reliable three weeks of extra fine weather. Plus a few weeks of haymaking weather while you are at it.
But this year thanks to the drought, and then the monsoon, I ended up with 2 crops in the same field 6 weeks apart. By the time the second generation would have been fit, the first batch of heads would have been on the floor. Even with the use of Roundup, I probably lost 25%. If it gets banned, it gets banned, but that's one less tool in the box.
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The French are banning it
but They will allow its use it in conservation agriculture
my cultivating neighbours do more glyphosate applications per crop than I do on notill
if I had roundup ready crops I would use less roundup overall
because we could take a risk that a Non round up ready crop has a few low level Weeds and be certain they would be controlled in the next crop
but They will allow its use it in conservation agriculture
my cultivating neighbours do more glyphosate applications per crop than I do on notill
if I had roundup ready crops I would use less roundup overall
because we could take a risk that a Non round up ready crop has a few low level Weeds and be certain they would be controlled in the next crop
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The French aren't going to ban it atm, apparently they are not satisfied with the current available alternatives. But they are putting restrictions on it's use.
Can't say I fancy recently applied Glyphosate in my Weetabix. Having said that, it's never necessary to desiccate here.
As they grow for Weetabix just down the road I would be more concerned about what it is grown in rather than a bit of a spray off. The good old "green" waste stuff containing all manner of non-degradables is fairly common on the Leics/Northants border and I`ve seen some tat in that from circuit boards to hypodermic needles.
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I take you don't grow cereals or you would know it's fairly normal to apply a herbicide several times throughout the growing season as well as for cleaning the stubble, if it's GM Roundup ready that's all your going to need.
Read the paper, they say the average is 4 applications.
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As they grow for Weetabix just down the road I would be more concerned about what it is grown in rather than a bit of a spray off. The good old "green" waste stuff containing all manner of non-degradables is fairly common on the Leics/Northants border and I`ve seen some tat in that from circuit boards to hypodermic needles.
Sounds lovely, taking to a truck driver earlier on in the year and he was saying a lot of the wheat they were using was coming from Germany.
Cowabunga
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Not with Roundup it isn't.
Normal herbicide application in the UK is one pre-emergence on Winter cereals and one follow up if necessary in Spring. Not Roundup, which may be used to clean stubble before planting a crop [or it would kill the crop]
On Roundup-ready crops, which we do not use in the UK, the usual application is once when weeds have germinated with green leaf and possibly sometimes a second application. What happens in Brazil and Argentina is not relevant in the least to the way Roundup is used in the UK, which is usually sparingly and once on stubble and in a wet harvest year, possibly some pre-harvest with a delay between spray and harvest.
If you believe that Roundup Ready genetically modified crops are grown in the UK and sprayed up to four times, which is itself a world away from the seven or eight times you claimed, then you are in cloud-cuckoo-land.
ollie989898
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I think there is not a man on this forum who would genuinely be keen to continue using it if this stuff was actually found to be a potent carcinogen. Frankly I would be uneasy about the idea of applying 10kg/ha of the active annually, whether on GM crops or not. My typical practice would be to use less than 2kg a year and that would be going some. I cannot see in what circumstance one would need or even want to use 10kg/ha total. That is surely stressing the crop because it has to metabolise the stuff each time it is applied.
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We only use it for stubble cleaning between 1 or 2kg ha depending on the weed infestation. I don't know anything about growing GM soya as to whether 10kg a ha over the growing season stresses it or not. I guess they are trying to combat increasing levels of superweeds infesting the crops.
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I don't like the idea of chemicals or medicines being used 'just in case'. Applies as much to antibiotics and at some point there it gets into humans which may be cumulative.
The man in Lewis on Countryfile seemed to manage to combine without Roundup. I do not think it should be routinely applied to cereals just to make it more convenient to keep a combine rolling. I have said many times that there may be some changes in weather patterns but it was never 6 weeks of sunshine in the past and often spent time waiting for barley to dry out once ripe. The wettest spells here in September were over 10 years ago when we had silage rows under water several times. . I only remember barley combined in October in 1985 which was the wettest summer here. We have become very impatient if every job cannot be completed in 2 days.
The man in Lewis on Countryfile seemed to manage to combine without Roundup. I do not think it should be routinely applied to cereals just to make it more convenient to keep a combine rolling. I have said many times that there may be some changes in weather patterns but it was never 6 weeks of sunshine in the past and often spent time waiting for barley to dry out once ripe. The wettest spells here in September were over 10 years ago when we had silage rows under water several times. . I only remember barley combined in October in 1985 which was the wettest summer here. We have become very impatient if every job cannot be completed in 2 days.
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I have only mentioned growing GM crops if this government decides to change the legislation, which IMO is a possibility. How many times it would be sprayed using Glyphoste is anybody's guess atm. However, I am saying that in South America they are now having to spray multiple times with heavy doses of Glyphosate on Soya crops, and presumably on other crops grown without rotation.
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When a company is licencing these products they only have to prove it's level of risk over a period of 90 days, no real account has to be made for long term or compounding risk factors to human health.