Brexit Deal

stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
How will France and Germany find the money to support the other 24 or is it 25 now they don’t have the UK contribution? Even more bankrupt than it was before.
How long before the EU breaks up?
With the help of Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands and Sweden they will manage, the UKs contribution as a percentage of National income was no higher than any of the above.
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Appears that the Brexit deal is close .................Only taken four and a half years.

Appears that we won't be having tariffs on food, which is excellent news. Watch the lamb price rise now !

Fishing, as expected, will still be permitted for foreign trawlers. Sorry for the English fishermen, but in the bigger picture better than the pesky French trawlers blocking the port of Calais for the next year !!

The newly formed lorry park at Ashford will probably now be sold to Amazon as a warehouse facility !

Amazon don't want it and it will still be an integral part of the Customs clearance operation.
There will still be significant delays while Customs clearance is carried out.
The M20 will continue with Operation Brock even after the lorries are finally cleared which is likely to take until next week anyway.

You will need a Kent Access Pass for an HGV from 1/1/21 which will be in 3 categories and has to be applied for at least 24 hours before travelling and it is also highly probable that the driver will have to have had a Covid test in the previous 72 hours as well.
Green Passes will mean that you can proceed direct to the Port or Tunnel.
Amber Pass will mean you have to go to Customs clearance at Waterbrook or Ebbsfleet as the new facility is too wet to complete.
Red will mean you have to park up, probably at Manston where by then they will at least have some Loos!

Yes it is great news there will be no tariffs but it will take some weeks for the new paperwork to settle in and there is still a shortage of Vets to sign off the very lengthy health certificates. There will also be delays on the French side for all food products as they will initially want to check all the certificates.

Once we have read the 2,000 pages then we will know better if it is a good deal.
If you listen to Boris's speech there was a part during questions that he accepted if we deviated from the EU regs in the future there may be tariffs applied.
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
It has been mentioned, but we'll need to wait for the 500 page? document.

EU will still need virus-free seed, as will the Middle East. Where will they find new suppliers? The Mountains of Mourne or the French Alps?

And why wasn't ensuring there will be no more onerous and unnecessary additional form filling a major point of agreement.

I travelled through Slovenia a couple of years ago and they grow a lot of potatoes which they wanted to send to the EU, presumably some of the accession countries believe they will fill the gaps. Plenty of Colorado Beetle there though!!!
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Stop being so pessimistic @Frank-the-Wool !! 🙄😘

you know every one will die of Covid before the deal is signed off 😱😀

A tenner says Amazon will have that site within 3 years !

No Amazon are having the area opposite the market if they are given PP.

I am an optimist in that we will all be vaccinated by Spring (not sure which one) and everything will be sunshine and light.

Happy Christmas.
 

hally

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
cumbria
It would have been nice if we could have banned the import of pork products produced under systems illegal in the UK.

No one seemed to mention that, probably bigger than the fishing job on its own.
All food products should be banned that aren’t produced to our legal standards, we wouldn’t buy a car that wasn’t legal or a washing machine, or pharmaceuticals, etc
 

Bob

Member
Location
Co Durham
Amazon don't want it and it will still be an integral part of the Customs clearance operation.
There will still be significant delays while Customs clearance is carried out.
The M20 will continue with Operation Brock even after the lorries are finally cleared which is likely to take until next week anyway.

You will need a Kent Access Pass for an HGV from 1/1/21 which will be in 3 categories and has to be applied for at least 24 hours before travelling and it is also highly probable that the driver will have to have had a Covid test in the previous 72 hours as well.
Green Passes will mean that you can proceed direct to the Port or Tunnel.
Amber Pass will mean you have to go to Customs clearance at Waterbrook or Ebbsfleet as the new facility is too wet to complete.
Red will mean you have to park up, probably at Manston where by then they will at least have some Loos!

Yes it is great news there will be no tariffs but it will take some weeks for the new paperwork to settle in and there is still a shortage of Vets to sign off the very lengthy health certificates. There will also be delays on the French side for all food products as they will initially want to check all the certificates.

Once we have read the 2,000 pages then we will know better if it is a good deal.
If you listen to Boris's speech there was a part during questions that he accepted if we deviated from the EU regs in the future there may be tariffs applied.
And also if the EU try to dump produce on us we can apply tariffs after 3rd party independent arbitration. What’s unfair about that? Hopefully you will be able to look forward to an exciting new future for uk ag instead of your current negativity
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
And also if the EU try to dump produce on us we can apply tariffs after 3rd party independent arbitration. What’s unfair about that? Hopefully you will be able to look forward to an exciting new future for uk ag instead of your current negativity
I actually don't think we'll tread on their toes , better payers out there than the EU 27
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
And also if the EU try to dump produce on us we can apply tariffs after 3rd party independent arbitration. What’s unfair about that? Hopefully you will be able to look forward to an exciting new future for uk ag instead of your current negativity

I am not at all negative just a realist.
I am old enough to remember life before we joined the EU.

I also remember how well we did after joining and how easy it became to cross all those borders. I still have a collection of cigar tins with small change for all the different countries we used to go to when the countries in the EU were all separate and before the Euro.
I was never a fan of the Euro and it was right we kept the pound but trade was easy in Euroland.

I really hope that life on the outside will be as good as when we were on the inside.
 

topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
With the help of Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands and Sweden they will manage, the UKs contribution as a percentage of National income was no higher than any of the above.
Hardly the point though is it? UK was a net contributor so the shortfall has to be made up somehow (or not!)
 

topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
Nothing, they are the best in the world, the EU is really cutting off their nose to spite their face with this one. Unless, of course they are tempting Scotland to split and rejoin the EU?
How can the EU afford another small country looking for a handout? The Scots should be given 5 years without the benefit of the Barnet formula funding so they have to fund their own spending through taxation and then have a referendum on devolution. Independence might not seem so attractive when they have to stand in their own two feet.
 

robs1

Member
They have had every opportunity to do this since 1999 when our laws changed and collapsed the UK pig industry to about half of what it was.
If that's true what would the french have done in the same situation ? There's your answer, we have the NFU to fight our corner in they dont get it banned then get out to the docks and block them like the French would, get someone who is a good public speaker and well acquainted with facts and get the media on side and shame the government into action, they cant blame the EU now.
 

serf

Member
Location
warwickshire
Unless, of course they are tempting Scotland to split and rejoin the EU?
If they do this and succeed that would end in carnage for the EU because every splinter group and every basket case country would want to have their say on their patch and precedent would be set and bar would be below the level of Bulgaria and Romania which they fiddled to get them in , now they've got to fund them .... but not our prob anymore hopefully ....🙄
 

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