- Location
- East yorks
River Lugg, Herefordshire
- Thread starter hootbe
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Use your imagination
- Location
- East yorks
The issue is what do you do if you resculpt the banks there is no other way but to touch the 1m on the top
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Place it onto the field anywhere within a digger’s reach, though as mentioned above not directly on the bank.
Putting it into a trailer or such to move it away it magically becomes “waste”
It’s a bit like the magic of Red Tractor but in reverse!
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
I suppose the answer is, don't have a barely established crop going into winter if it's going to cause a problem?
Permanent pasture or a thick growing cover crop after cereals that would preserve the topsoil until spring. Maybe direct drilling the crop would have helped, it looks like there had been a lot of surface cultivation.
need a long dipper and swing it right around, then get some grass seed on it toot sweet else it will wash back in with the next flood.
best done in low water through the summer
best done in low water through the summer
same with any water course the wider the margin the better chance of saving soil .
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
That's the problem all the agencies have too isn't it, they can't do anything with the spoil?
Last time I was over there a chap was telling me they can't dredge canals any more because its classed as waste and they can't afford to get rid. Eventually the canals will be full but it's just getting ignored.
- Location
- East yorks
Problem if you do it at low water is getting it out the bucket, u need a bit of water flow to get it out and make it a bit loose otherwise the first bucket and it’s blocked for the rest of the day
depends on your type but here if youve got clay in the bucket (thats obviously hard to get out) then youve gone a bit to deep,bit too greedy it should be looser ie silt or deposited stuff rather than the river bed sort of thing which is way easier to tipout.
dont want to lose it down stream either.
- Location
- East yorks
My clay starts at the top and goes down a metre or 2 so there is no escaping it
- Location
- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Sure that was an Old EU rule, so we could change that now if our strong gov knew about it.Place it onto the field anywhere within a digger’s reach, though as mentioned above not directly on the bank.
Putting it into a trailer or such to move it away it magically becomes “waste”
Wait.....
ollie989898
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The drainage boards dug silt out and put it on the banks for decades. Pray tell what the fudge the issue with the stuff is. If you have huge volumes then put it in barges and dump it at sea- the same place a lot of it will end up in time anyway.
- Location
- Hereford
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
It used to be a golden rule that dredgimgs should be left on the bank as close to the ditch as possible, that way invertebrates could return home easily. Before it all dried out and they died. Then in summer you spread it about and reseeded.
I would be amazed if there is any general directive that dredgings from Canals, rivers or ditches are contaminated, but if you do an “ assessment” it could certainly be factored in and will help make the decision not to go ahead, easier to justify.
you can be sure that any chemical analysis of material at the bottom of a river, canal , ditch , pond etc, will reveal the presence of hydrocarbons. The fact that 99% of that will be entirely natural is irrelevant.
Anyone who has done such work will know that rainbow sheen you often get on spoil straight out of a wet ditch.
I would be amazed if there is any general directive that dredgings from Canals, rivers or ditches are contaminated, but if you do an “ assessment” it could certainly be factored in and will help make the decision not to go ahead, easier to justify.
you can be sure that any chemical analysis of material at the bottom of a river, canal , ditch , pond etc, will reveal the presence of hydrocarbons. The fact that 99% of that will be entirely natural is irrelevant.
Anyone who has done such work will know that rainbow sheen you often get on spoil straight out of a wet ditch.
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I thought you were supposed to put the spoil next to the ditch to allow any creepy crawlies to get back to the ditch
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
being serious, I am pretty sure, one reason there is no dredging is because the "spoil" is classed as contaminated waste and has to be disposed of as such, and I think if we did a chemical analysis of it, it would be too, I am not sure if it is cross compliance or a glastir reg, that you must not use spoil from a ditch to level up low spots in a field (I can't for the life of me think why not), if you were to always spread next to the ditch, you end up blocking surface water running into it!
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
I can’t imagine this field scale flooding does the animals and bugs that live in the fields and hedgerows much good.
If ELMS is planning to encourage more flood storage on farmland, but also protect the bugs, beetles, birds etc and their habitats then it’s going to end up a bit of a contradiction.
If ELMS is planning to encourage more flood storage on farmland, but also protect the bugs, beetles, birds etc and their habitats then it’s going to end up a bit of a contradiction.
- Location
- East yorks
Exactly, we seem to get more and more frogs every year with a bit of ditch management and some pond work than just letting everything flood and go stagnant
76masseyman
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- Location
- Lincolncestershire
Would the ditch spoil be as such a disposal problem if were done little and often ?
The River Steeping, that flooded Wainfleet in summer 2019, is a case in point.
A study of it reported for every meter length of riverbank, there is 15 cubic meters of spoil to remove to clean it properly.
If it was done by excavator, from one side, there isn’t enough room to put it all !
The River Steeping, that flooded Wainfleet in summer 2019, is a case in point.
A study of it reported for every meter length of riverbank, there is 15 cubic meters of spoil to remove to clean it properly.
If it was done by excavator, from one side, there isn’t enough room to put it all !
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