River Lugg, Herefordshire

MrNoo · Jan 23, 2021

organicguy said:
The A419 through Glos. which was dual carriage wayed 20 plus ? years ago has oil traps all the way along. Whether they are emptied often enough and where that goes is another question.

They drain to settling ponds as there is one on my neighbors ground, never seen it emptied I am unsure if the oilways go there too, I would assume so as there seems to be no other tanks or suchlike. It goes right through our farm and nothing on our land for sure.

Tarw Coch · Jan 23, 2021

quattro said:
It needs someone to keep taking pics of the work done on the river lugg over a year or more, and keep posting it to show how everything comes back to how it was before

I reckon precisely that will happen, judging by the number of times I’ve seen pictures of the affected part of the Lugg within the banks over the last couple of days.

Simon Chiles · Jan 23, 2021

quattro said:
Heard the government praising the ea when will they realise there incompetent
as regard cleaning ditches I always remember they tipped it on the field same width as bucket
crops were probably better there than anywhere, these practices were done for decades why did they change something that worked

That’s because they’ve been on the news proclaiming about what a good job they’ve done. I can’t help thinking that if they’d done their job there wouldn’t have been the flooding in the first place, they’ve been banging on about wetter winters for twenty years or more ago, being unprepared isn’t any defence. The really amusing bit ( or at least for me ) is that when they’re doing these news clips there’s always some farmer in the background with the biggest slurry pump in the area rectifying the situation.

teslacoils · Jan 23, 2021

Bongodog said:
The EA needs to be scaled back and its responsibility for river maintenance removed and placed with the County Councils. Then the victims of flooding can take their revenge at the ballot box. If County Cllrs were seeing their electorates homes flooding they would force their staff to dredge for fear of losing out at the next election.

County councils. Hope not. Idbs best placed.

holwellcourtfarm · Jan 23, 2021

Bongodog said:
The EA needs to be scaled back and its responsibility for river maintenance removed and placed with the County Councils. Then the victims of flooding can take their revenge at the ballot box. If County Cllrs were seeing their electorates homes flooding they would force their staff to dredge for fear of losing out at the next election.

Rivers need managing as catchments, not according to random political divisions like counties. You'd end up with some upper catchments being actively managed passing too much flow into neighbouring poorly managed ones.

lloyd · Jan 23, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Rivers need managing as catchments, not according to random political divisions like counties. You'd end up with some upper catchments being actively managed passing too much flow into neighbouring poorly managed ones.

Like the Wye catchment ,real team effort .

Old Tup · Jan 23, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Rivers need managing as catchments, not according to random political divisions like counties. You'd end up with some upper catchments being actively managed passing too much flow into neighbouring poorly managed ones.

Funny how it is always assumed than any dredging etc will be in the upper reaches first.....

holwellcourtfarm · Jan 23, 2021

lloyd said:
Like the Wye catchment ,real team effort .

The creation of the EA was a bodge even before Welsh Region was split off into NRW.

The NRA worked to catchments because it only dealt with rivers. The organisations that joined it to form the EA had political boundaries which crossed catchments (HMIP and the County waste regulation teams).

holwellcourtfarm · Jan 23, 2021

Old Tup said:
Funny how it is always assumed than any dredging etc will be in the upper reaches first.....

Not what I meant. Take The Severn. What if Shropshire chose to run a dredging programme but Hereford and Worcester decided not to.......

steveR · Jan 23, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Rivers need managing as catchments, not according to random political divisions like counties. You'd end up with some upper catchments being actively managed passing too much flow into neighbouring poorly managed ones.

Now where have we seen this before....

River Boards and IDB's working together. EA doing something useful, by funding both properly...

steveR · Jan 23, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Not what I meant. Take The Severn. What if Shropshire chose to run a dredging programme but Hereford and Worcester decided not to.......

I suspect the water heading their way, would focus minds quickly.

Poncherello1976 · Jan 23, 2021

Wonder if the property owners ought to 'pay a visit' to the EA like Dave suggested about visiting farmers. Also love the use of 'compromised', bu****ed up more like.

Exfarmer · Jan 23, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Rivers need managing as catchments, not according to random political divisions like counties. You'd end up with some upper catchments being actively managed passing too much flow into neighbouring poorly managed ones.

You are absolutely right there, they absolutely should be managed in the entirety of the catchment. The trouble is there us absolutely no management at all today. At least if it was in council hands there would be some serious shouting done in a very big way, if you had some one to shout at. The EA livesa long way away in an Ivory tower , seemingly unaware the effect there every day decisions have ob ordinary people. Perhaps they spend there day practicing on their violins, fiddling while Britain floods.

DRC · Jan 23, 2021

It was never this bad in Shrewsbury when I was at school there in the 70s

steveR · Jan 23, 2021

silverfox said:
It was never this bad in Shrewsbury when I was at school there in the 70s

Global warming innit.... a new wetter rain!

Bongodog · Jan 23, 2021

teslacoils said:
County councils. Hope not. Idbs best placed.

IDB's are great for low lying pumped areas, the owners pay their dues and get a service in return. Can't see however how this principle can work for populated areas.

TheTallGuy said:
The problem with that is that the elected will only pander to the majority/biggest noises so will either result in totally inappropriate/excessive work, or the rewilding/pseudo greenie work - there will be no well considered middle ground.

My feeling is that a voter with a flooded house will have more sway than a greenie with a cause.

TheTallGuy · Jan 23, 2021

Bongodog said:
IDB's are great for low lying pumped areas, the owners pay their dues and get a service in return. Can't see however how this principle can work for populated areas.

My feeling is that a voter with a flooded house will have more sway than a greenie with a cause.

The problem is that for every voter with a flooded house there will be at least three ill informed knobs campaigning on Facebook...

Old Tup · Jan 23, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Not what I meant. Take The Severn. What if Shropshire chose to run a dredging programme but Hereford and Worcester decided not to.......

As I said funny how it is always the worst case scenario that is used.....what if the reverse happened as a result of some joined up thinking.....
Downstream will soon get the message...if they fail to follow the lead of upstream.
Bunged up watercourses increase the permanent level of saturation of the land in the catchment area. Thus decreasing the ability of Land to invisibly absorb large quantities of rainfall, then gradually allowing it to join the main watercourses.
Instead heavy rainfall quickly joins the watercourse, raising the already higher existing water level in the watercourse.
Inevitably leading to flooding.

Steevo · Jan 23, 2021

Bongodog said:
IDB's are great for low lying pumped areas, the owners pay their dues and get a service in return. Can't see however how this principle can work for populated areas.

My feeling is that a voter with a flooded house will have more sway than a greenie with a cause.

Sadly here it’s a case of pay your dues....but we can’t touch your river because it’s classed as a main river we (IDB) can’t touch it and the EA won’t do anything about it.

Wombat · Jan 23, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Not what I meant. Take The Severn. What if Shropshire chose to run a dredging programme but Hereford and Worcester decided not to.......

They would soon learn to

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