The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

Would you leave or remain a Red Tractor ACCS member ?

  • Yes, I would resign my Red Tractor (ACCS) membership and join a new "equal to imports" Scheme

    Votes: 659 96.1%

  • No, I would remain in the Red Tractor scheme

    Votes: 27 3.9%
  • Total voters
    686
Clive

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Henarar said:
No idea, as I said I am just looking in from the outside as I don't grow corn and I am not an RT member.
I should be laughing but I am not as I know my time will come, won't be able to evade the protection racket for ever
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if you pay the AHDB any levy you are already paying Red Tractor - AHDB hand over £250,000 pa of our money to Red Tractor

ALL farmers are paying for this - it is NOT optional by any definition
 
Sid

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Clive

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Sid said:
Interesting the FW didn't publish your actual cost of complying with RT.
What would be the cost of membership and complying per ton?
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I haven't really worked it out, frankly I have better things to do, it would be complex to accurately calculate all the time and extras invoved as it runs deep in to everyday actions staff take

But frankly if is 1p that's 1p too much when it adds no value to my business
 
Sid

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Clive said:
I haven't really worked it out, frankly I have better things to do, it would be complex to accurately calculate all the time and extras invoved as it runs deep in to everyday actions staff take

But frankly if is 1p that's 1p too much when it adds no value to my business
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But if you get £20/less for non assured and its costing you, as you state in the article in additional work to comply, say £25/t to do that , why are you bothering?
 
Grass And Grain

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Sid said:
Would the mill not buy it even not assured.....at a price?
Same as they buy the imported , at a price?
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They're not supposed to. Part of the mills assurance scheme is that they can't buy UK unless it's assured.

The assurance schemes have made the rules so that all farmers who supply mills are forced to take out assurance.

And the assurance schemes have made the rules that assured farmers can only buy compound feed if it comes from an assured mill. So mill with no assurance has got hardly any potential market for their feed.

Oh, and the haulier has to pay as well, because the lorry has to be assured to both take grain to the mill, and to take feed out of the mill.

It's the perfect circle, so the fat cats get to stay in their well paid jobs with everyone in the industry forced to pay.
 
H

Happy at it

Member
Location
NI
I know this thread has been primarily about cereals, which doesnt affect me, but I'd like to thank clive and his team for putting a counter argument forward and giving us a platform to put our views across.

From my limited knowledge, I think clive speaking up is commendable given that he seems to have worked himself to such a scale and good standard that complying with the ever increasing demands of the scheme would be manageable. For some especially in the livestock sector this isn't the case.

For me I appreciate the red tractor scheme in the same way as I would appreciate a double glazing salesman that would put your windows in before he tapped the door. They have created a service and agitate/lobby processors and supermarkets and over emphasize their need to justify their existence and the whole industry has played along.

The sad thing is any criticism of the scheme, only serves to tighten its grip, with red tractor doubling down and acting to tighten their requirements that have been deemed too lack. It's just hopeless...
 
Henarar

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Grass And Grain said:
They're not supposed to. Part of the mills assurance scheme is that they can't buy UK unless it's assured.

The assurance schemes have made the rules so that all farmers who supply mills are forced to take out assurance.

And the assurance schemes have made the rules that assured farmers can only buy compound feed if it comes from an assured mill. So mill with no assurance has got hardly any potential market for their feed.

Oh, and the haulier has to pay as well, because the lorry has to be assured to both take grain to the mill, and to take feed out of the mill.

It's the perfect circle, so the fat cats get to stay in their well paid jobs with everyone in the industry forced to pay.
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This is how they will eventually get me in to the RT protection racket, all they have to do is tell my customers that buy my store cattle that they can only buy RT assured cattle [whole life assurance for cattle in other words] and I will be forced to join, I am under no illusions they will get me in the end,
 
Humble Village Farmer

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Henarar said:
This is how they will eventually get me in to the RT protection racket, all they have to do is tell my customers that buy my store cattle that they can only buy RT assured cattle [whole life assurance for cattle in other words] and I will be forced to join, I am under no illusions they will get me in the end,
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Looking at the ahdb market reports, there seem to be plenty of outlets for non fa cattle and sheep. I will definitely not be renewing my beef and lamb scheme. If I can avoid renewing my cereals membership i will do that too.
 
Sid

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Henarar said:
This is how they will eventually get me in to the RT protection racket, all they have to do is tell my customers that buy my store cattle that they can only buy RT assured cattle [whole life assurance for cattle in other words] and I will be forced to join, I am under no illusions they will get me in the end,
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If the assurance scheme was rewarded correctly and the rules applicable and justifiable. WLA should be in place.
Magically making a ton of wheat, a litre of milk FA by holding on your farm for 90 days makes a complete mockery of the farcical system RT is on beef and lamb.
Be easier to have a "growing unit" and a 90 day " finishing unit" and just inspect the latter.
Why bother with inspecting the breeding/growing unit?
 
Grass And Grain

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Henarar said:
This is how they will eventually get me in to the RT protection racket, all they have to do is tell my customers that buy my store cattle that they can only buy RT assured cattle [whole life assurance for cattle in other words] and I will be forced to join, I am under no illusions they will get me in the end,
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That's what they're after. And I suspect they'll try and do it with cattle first (as not so many sheep men are assured).

If they do bring in WLA, then I do hope that the suckler men stick it out.

RT for beef and sheep is a nonsense really when you think about. RT and supermarkets will say how we've got to have the red tractor on the product. But the know full well it's only for the last 90 days, and ignore the previous 810 days of the bullocks life. Suggests to me that RT assurance isn't all so vital to the supermarket after all.
 
Henarar

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Sid said:
If the assurance scheme was rewarded correctly and the rules applicable and justifiable. WLA should be in place.
Magically making a ton of wheat, a litre of milk FA by holding on your farm for 90 days makes a complete mockery of the farcical system RT is on beef and lamb.
Be easier to have a "growing unit" and a 90 day " finishing unit" and just inspect the latter.
Why bother with inspecting the breeding/growing unit?
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no you are quite wrong WLA should not be in place, things are ok as they are thank you very much and to say any different just smacks of jealousy.
It makes no mockery, those are the rules and they are fine as they are, much like the rules that let you use non organic straw do you think those rules make a mockery of organic or are you happy with them as they are, yes I thought so you are happy with them as they are
 

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