It suggests that things are fine as they are.
when batters was trying to bring in WLA a few years ago I asked how it would benefit anyone bar RT and their inspectors over the status quo and could get an answer because there isn't one
The Red Tractor ACCS referendum
- Thread starter Clive
- Start date
when batters was trying to bring in WLA a few years ago I asked how it would benefit anyone bar RT and their inspectors over the status quo and could get an answer because there isn't one
No that is quite right but how long this very sensible system will prevail is very much up for debate
anyway this is going off topic on a thread about accs so best leave it for another day and another thread
- Location
- South Molton
Fail to see what straw my cattle lie upon has any relevance to this magic that occurs in the RT process.
The RT scheme is a mockery as animals only have to spend, if sold at 30 months 10% of their life being assured.
What happens if an animal has a broken needle in it? Being sold as non assured there is nothing in place to prevent that from being sold to a FA finisher.
Stocking densities not being adhered to etc.
Wouldn't give the consumer any confidence in the scheme IMHO.
Perhaps if the media found this out the whole scheme would fall flat on its arse!
- Location
- South Molton
I don't disagree, what i am saying is the whole assurance scheme is now a waste of time.aamoi whats the broken needle policy on imported foreign Beef ?or pig meat or chickenfor that matter. for Beef its mainly minced i suppose so the needle will be ground down
Absolutely no difference to feed mills buying non RT inputs , GM even , from abroad either.
Latest proposal for dairy, and I would guess for arable is about worker accommodation.
WTF has that to do with food safety?
Anyway the proposal is easy to get around, you "sell" the temporary accommodation to the worker upon arrival, and buy it back when they leave. No longer have to check boilers , electrics etc.
Makes a mockery of whole system
there is no buyer of Uk milling wheat or osr not rt assured - if I left the scheme I would have to change my cropping, feed wheat doesn’t give as good margins on my soil type and the feed I did grow would have to sell at a discount to RT feed or imported feed
and even if I did leave RT I would still be forced to pay towards it via the AHDB levy I pay on every tonne of wheat I sell
- Location
- S. Staffs
FW have finally acknowledged the existence of TFF with your quote in their article on RT, pity they spelt your name wrong though !
- Location
- South Molton
Thanks for clarification on that.
Trying to get up to speed a bit on grain side for future discussions.
- Location
- Yorks
Perhaps we should let the mainstream media know what's going on. Giving a beef animal a RT sticker 'cos it's been assured for 10% of it's life is (in my mind) very close to deceiving the consumer - it's not exactly lying, but it's been a bit economical with the truth.
How would advertising standards view this I wonder?
According to Mr Smith there’s no point spouting off on social media.
well what are the non NFU member supposed to do then as there’s nothing been organised for those guys to respond other than a tick box consultation document which doesn’t really give freedom of speech.
And as for Mr Mosley and I quote...
Most retailers require RT assurance
a couple of paragraphs later
RT membership is voluntary!
so it’s voluntary but most retailers won’t accept non RT products according to him.
well what are the non NFU member supposed to do then as there’s nothing been organised for those guys to respond other than a tick box consultation document which doesn’t really give freedom of speech.
And as for Mr Mosley and I quote...
Most retailers require RT assurance
a couple of paragraphs later
RT membership is voluntary!
so it’s voluntary but most retailers won’t accept non RT products according to him.
Cowski
Member
- Location
- South West
Can someone ask to see the PA certificates, sprayer MOT and soil management plan from this guy before I buy his produce? They I will happily fill out pointless paperwork all day long.
- Location
- Yorks
Can we all write 'letters to the editor' to Farmers Weekly. Lets back Clive up in the article, and point out the parts of RT that are nonsense or overburdensome.
Well, it is voluntary!
Trouble is I can't store grain in a CS without certification and can't sell my beef in the abbatior that's 5 minutes from me without certification.
On the other hand I could travel 30 miles to a market and sell stores non assured.
Which is wrong imo.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Uuuumm
Not sure if this is a bit of a problem for me or just a coincidence.
I went down to my local village paper shop this very morning and cancelled my weekly order for the FW!
I explained to the lovely lady who owns it that it was nothing to do with her and that I regretted not being able to continue supporting her with sales, but that FW has become such a rubbish magazine recently that all it ever now does is depress me, having read it.
She said that she wasn’t surprised and that sales of FW have definitely dropped off over the last year or two.
This comes as a bit more of a milestone to me as I used to write for it as an Arable Focus writer.
But I now regard it as a very poor relative of its former glory days that usually ends up ruining my entire weekends.
I must admit as to not having read this weeks version, before cancelling my order.
How strange that it should be the very week that @Clive appears in and the very first time I have ever seen TFF mentioned in it!
I am also disappointed indeed in @Guy Smith ’s argument.
So, in conclusion @Clive, hopefully you will see my action today as a positive one towards you and TFF, rather than a negative one, which just so happen to be a rather bizarre coincidence!
Uuumm...!
Not sure if this is a bit of a problem for me or just a coincidence.
I went down to my local village paper shop this very morning and cancelled my weekly order for the FW!
I explained to the lovely lady who owns it that it was nothing to do with her and that I regretted not being able to continue supporting her with sales, but that FW has become such a rubbish magazine recently that all it ever now does is depress me, having read it.
She said that she wasn’t surprised and that sales of FW have definitely dropped off over the last year or two.
This comes as a bit more of a milestone to me as I used to write for it as an Arable Focus writer.
But I now regard it as a very poor relative of its former glory days that usually ends up ruining my entire weekends.
I must admit as to not having read this weeks version, before cancelling my order.
How strange that it should be the very week that @Clive appears in and the very first time I have ever seen TFF mentioned in it!
I am also disappointed indeed in @Guy Smith ’s argument.
So, in conclusion @Clive, hopefully you will see my action today as a positive one towards you and TFF, rather than a negative one, which just so happen to be a rather bizarre coincidence!
- Location
- Herefordshire
I must admit to being slightly offended by the comment " no point spouting off on social media" ,perhaps they're getting a little agitated by the the TFF where farmers are using the platform to unify and vent their anger at tthe RT cartel.I was very surprised to read that 70 % of consumers recognised the RT brand,my own little non scientific poll in my local area/ pub suggested the figure to be much,much lower.Perhaps it was the way they worded the questions .
First thing everyone needs to do is resign from the NFU and tell them why.
something I did when crop assurance was first foisted on us.
Also worth speaking to your merchant . Are they on our side or happy to go along with it. After all it’s the merchants I sell my grain to, not a mill or crusher .
They seem very quiet on the subject .
something I did when crop assurance was first foisted on us.
Also worth speaking to your merchant . Are they on our side or happy to go along with it. After all it’s the merchants I sell my grain to, not a mill or crusher .
They seem very quiet on the subject .
Well you wouldn't be in a rush to buy a used car off him that's for sure.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
Red Tractor - the pros and cons of farm assurance schemes - Farmers Weekly
Red Tractor – the UK’s largest farm assurance scheme – is currently consulting on the next iteration of its standards as it attempts to keep up withwww.fwi.co.uk
they are happy to talk "at you" in Farmers weekly but won't engage "with you" here
So to sum up from first glance....
Those paid by RT and part of the "system" think it's the best thing since sliced bread and want it to continue.
Those that actually produce the goods that this assurance mark is supposedly adding value to don't see any value in it at all.
I take from this that the only reason Red Tractor exists is because Red Tractor want it to.
- Location
- Essex
What's the address