The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

homefarm said:

AHDB will get behind it if enough levy payers ask for them to do so .
Everyone who voted for an equal to import scheme should contact AHDB and make their views known. Numbers will make a difference.

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Grass And Grain said:

I think you make a good suggestion. Just letting anybody know at AHDB must help.

AHDB Cereals are on twitter.

Although nothing suits everyone's way of thinking, I suspect an 'equal to imports' simplified declaration would be a big step forward for UK cereal farmers to aid efficiency and aid grain marketing, with improved market access.

The more I think about it the more I conclude that AHDB Cereals are the perfect organisation to make this happen.

Not something which requires years to come to fruition though, a few weeks should be quite sufficient.

Just need a decent name for it.

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homefarm said:

Why not just "Produced in the UK" in the sticker box on the passport and a number which relates to a free to levy payers data base where we store the legal minimum for food safety.

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Grass And Grain said:

I think you make a good suggestion. Just letting anybody know at AHDB must help.

AHDB Cereals are on twitter.

Although nothing suits everyone's way of thinking, I suspect an 'equal to imports' simplified declaration would be a big step forward for UK cereal farmers to aid efficiency and aid grain marketing, with improved market access.

The more I think about it the more I conclude that AHDB Cereals are the perfect organisation to make this happen.

Not something which requires years to come to fruition though, a few weeks should be quite sufficient.

Just need a decent name for it.

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1. confidently.
   "the lad kept his cool and assuredly slipped the ball between the posts"
2. used to express the speaker's certainty that something is true.
   "potted roses will most assuredly not survive winter without protection"

Grass And Grain said:

I might buy a 30t load of imported wheat with a magic sticker, blend it in with mine, then just keep selling it on.

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Steevo said:

They might get wise to that.....and we'd need more than one boat!

But if we bought a port.......they wouldn't know whether the wheat leaving the port was domestic, imported or what! Drive the lorry to the port......wait 10 mins while they tick all the boxes needed and then drive it off to wherever it goes!

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Feldspar said:

My suggestion to the AIC would be this: you are happy for the assurance process to only start once a big pile of grain from abroad is amassed in a boat where you test it for various things and then label it as assured. On that basis, if I whop my grain into something like Camgrain without being assured, and a number of other farmers do the same, once we get a 10,000t shed full we should be able to get that heap tested and it should then become assured. If this is refused, then we are being discriminated against.

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Steevo said:

In an ideal world, and taking @Feldspar's comment about Camgrain.....a farmer owned co-operative could be a great way to go about it also. Collective bargaining power.....sadly something that we as UK Ag. are very poor at, and thus have ended up in this situation today.

Would be even better if they had a feed mill also, and access to some non-assured livestock farmers who would use the feed.

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Steevo said:

+1

Produced in the UK is arguably a higher standard than “Equal to imports”......and carries a sense of patriotic pride also.

It sounds like we are setting a standard, rather than dumbing it down to the level of others.

Note: a standard that is globally high already and does NOT need ratcheting up any further.

Can anyone name a country that has more stringent standards than UK? I’d be interested to learn.

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Dave645 said:

I think AHDB is a perfect fit.
They already produce a good grain storage guideline
They already get our money, they could basically collect either more levy or have some form of scheme fee.
Since this is an assurance scheme.

AHDB sugar beet and combinable crops assurance.
very long but it says what it is, on the tin.
( they already do a beef and lamb) https://ahdb.org.uk/assurance-schemes

Assuredly British AHDB.

they push the burden of any site visits the scheme may need for members joining that were not in red tractor combinable crops and sugar beet, already. onto merchants, this is the basic check to make sure sheds are upto the standard they set, for storage.
also suggest a basic app to cover storage compliance rules, basically something to take farmer recordings and it pushes out suggestions. We recorded temps and moistures etc it records them and spits out any recommendations based on those records. Like intervals for re testing, or fans or treatments etc. Cleaning guides etc.
Check lists, weekly, monthly, yearly etc.

Basically an app could be 90-100% of all the record keeping there scheme needs if done right. It could even take in photo records etc.
The chemical side would be done by the agronomist basicly a statment from them saying there recommendations for crops comply with the assuredly British AHDB standards, and that the spray operator used has a CERT and has a MOT for there sprayer. So chemicals are applied in a calibrated way. Who doesn’t see there agronomist on farm, and how hard would it be for the AHDB to pay our agronomist to do the chemical cert side of a farms annual check. Basically our agronomists are doing the job already, and they see what’s in our chemical stores and are responsible to make sure we use up any chemicals before they lose license to be used.










assuredly
[əˈʃʊərədliəˈʃɔːrədli]

ADVERB
assuredly (adverb)

1. confidently.
   "the lad kept his cool and assuredly slipped the ball between the posts"
2. used to express the speaker's certainty that something is true.
   "potted roses will most assuredly not survive winter without protection"

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Dave645 said:

I think AHDB is a perfect fit.
They already produce a good grain storage guideline
They already get our money, they could basically collect either more levy or have some form of scheme fee.
Since this is an assurance scheme.

AHDB sugar beet and combinable crops assurance.
very long but it says what it is, on the tin.
( they already do a beef and lamb) https://ahdb.org.uk/assurance-schemes

Assuredly British AHDB.

they push the burden of any site visits the scheme may need for members joining that were not in red tractor combinable crops and sugar beet, already. onto merchants, this is the basic check to make sure sheds are upto the standard they set, for storage.
also suggest a basic app to cover storage compliance rules, basically something to take farmer recordings and it pushes out suggestions. We recorded temps and moistures etc it records them and spits out any recommendations based on those records. Like intervals for re testing, or fans or treatments etc. Cleaning guides etc.
Check lists, weekly, monthly, yearly etc.

Basically an app could be 90-100% of all the record keeping there scheme needs if done right. It could even take in photo records etc.
The chemical side would be done by the agronomist basicly a statment from them saying there recommendations for crops comply with the assuredly British AHDB standards, and that the spray operator used has a CERT and has a MOT for there sprayer. So chemicals are applied in a calibrated way. Who doesn’t see there agronomist on farm, and how hard would it be for the AHDB to pay our agronomist to do the chemical cert side of a farms annual check. Basically our agronomists are doing the job already, and they see what’s in our chemical stores and are responsible to make sure we use up any chemicals before they lose license to be used.










assuredly
[əˈʃʊərədliəˈʃɔːrədli]

ADVERB
assuredly (adverb)

1. confidently.
   "the lad kept his cool and assuredly slipped the ball between the posts"
2. used to express the speaker's certainty that something is true.
   "potted roses will most assuredly not survive winter without protection"

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Hindsight said:

But your agronomist is not legally charged with making sure you use up or do not apply non approved chemical. Your agronomist has no legal control and thus how could they sign off compliance. And what about farm businesses which have more than one agronomist. No, the final responsibility for application of pesticides in law is with the farmer and thus the proof of compliance must sit with the farmer.

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D14 said:

Anybody know people at Beeswax to see if we can get James Dyson's weight behind this publicly?

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SilliamWhale said:

I don't see that as a problem. Part of our plant protection products module in GAEC. Also HSE have a role.

Red Tractor hasn't stopped Blenky chucking his soil down the river has it?

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WOODCHIP said:

Why can’t you have your spray store checked at the same time your sprayer is Mot .

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Fuzzy said:

and Jeremy Clarkson ?

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Hindsight said:

Sorry, SW I am not saying it is a problem and I have not followed the thread just happened to dip in to it a few minutes ago. I assume you are trying to defray costs of running an assurance scheme and thus hey lets use the agronomist - but I was just pointing out there are legal obligations which an agronomist would have to consider. Cheers.




Hi, I am not being negative, but are you suggesting the sprayer MOT man checks your spray store? Why? Actually checking the MAPP number is straightforward for a farmer, needs tuition on how to use the CRD / HSE pesticide database. Cheers

I will keep out of way now in case I upset anyone. Cheers.

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Fuzzy said:

Does imported wheat or barley need a sprayer MOT or Chemical store check ? NO. so why do we ?

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Fuzzy said:

Does imported wheat or barley need a sprayer MOT or Chemical store check ? NO. so why do we ?

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