Why is the Uk agricultural industry becoming almost “obsessed by carbon free farming”???

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Well some is, some isn't. The guy who predicted doom regarding BSE was wrong in his predictions, however hundreds have died of CJD linked to BSE, another was AIDS. still a major problem, that can now be treated, at the time it was the ' gay plague '

On the other side of the coin, the Chinese Doctor who gave grave reports about Covid was promptly closed down.

Big-tech as Trump referred to the large Corporate Whales, can afford to produce so called ' peer reviewed ' material that can hoodwink us all into believing.

Same in the financial markets, the Institute of Micky Mouse or whoever predicts this, that and the other, there is a 50/50 chance of being right :cool:

Contrary to what is stated above, I'm always sceptical of ' scientific proof ' as too often it's proved wrong, especially with historical timings, by the odd million years.

However, I digress, global warming is real, and the only way to slow it, is to come up with a sustainability criteria that includes the number of human beings. We need a formula that includes us in the calculation.

What is sustainable ? how much water is needed or ploughable hectares of land per head of population to produce food, how much energy etc, etc, etc............

If the UK can sustain 68m people, what is the carbon footprint figure per head that is sustainable, for food, water, travel, work, recreation combined etc ?
Whatever is happening is completely natural, is it best to fight it or just go with it?
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
I think he's referring to the NFU's target of Net Zero by 2040.
IMO, farming was well past any net zero target, when man first harvested any crop or grazed livestock.
Didn't we learn about photosynthesis in our Biology lessons at school?

When we grow anything green that photosynthesizes, we capture far more CO2 than we create. There would be hardly any oxygen in our atmosphere without it. Virtually all, if not all our Oxygen was and is created by photosynthesis.
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
4/5 of the entire world's pollution is produced by my old Ford 7810. The government really ought to pay me a lot ( and by a lot I mean eleventy billion pounds ) to upgrade it. And by upgrade, I don't mean a shity new Fendt, or a pish awful valtra. ;)


Years ago there were one or two smokey Fords, the 6710 comes to mind, Nothing stranger on a sunny late spring evening, still air, and a silage field with a black cloud over it :)
 

delilah

Member
It is government legislation not NFU

Govt target is net zero by 2050. Net zero for UK ag by 2040 is an NFU policy.
It is bollox at two levels. 1) As others have said we are the only industry that can already claim to be better than zero anyway due to the unique nature of what we do.
2) Go into your local corner shop, or hairdressers, or wherever, and ask them if they are committed to net zero. They will quite rightly look at you as if you are mad. Only ag is daft enough to keep producing these sticks to be beaten with.
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Govt target is net zero by 2050. Net zero for UK ag by 2040 is an NFU policy.
It is bollox at two levels. 1) As others have said we are the only industry that can already claim to be better than zero anyway due to the unique nature of what we do.
2) Go into your local corner shop, or hairdressers, or wherever, and ask them if they are committed to net zero. They will quite rightly look at you as if you are mad. Only ag is daft enough to keep producing these sticks to be beaten with.


How can we claim nett zero ? I'm interested to know.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
How can we claim nett zero ? I'm interested to know.
Most of the climate researchers in the leading teams talk about aiming for zero fossil fuel emissions.

Few of them espouse "Net Zero" as a way forward. That's cone from the politicians and the marketing industry in a classic case of changing an inconvenient narrative into a more acceptable one. They can't cope with the idea of ceasing all fossil fuel emissions (which require massive social change) so dreamt up the idea of reducing fossil fuel emissions a bit and offsetting the rest instead.

As a farm you just need to "prove" you are offsetting all of your fossil emissions (and methane ones for now) and you are then "net zero".
 

bigw

Member
Location
Scotland
Govt target is net zero by 2050. Net zero for UK ag by 2040 is an NFU policy.
It is bollox at two levels. 1) As others have said we are the only industry that can already claim to be better than zero anyway due to the unique nature of what we do.
2) Go into your local corner shop, or hairdressers, or wherever, and ask them if they are committed to net zero. They will quite rightly look at you as if you are mad. Only ag is daft enough to keep producing these sticks to be beaten with.

Scotland is 75% reduction by 2030 and net zero by 2040. I agree its bolloxs but the NFU didnt set this target in Scotland the government did.
 

delilah

Member
Scotland is 75% reduction by 2030 and net zero by 2040. I agree its bolloxs but the NFU didnt set this target in Scotland the government did.

Have NFUs committed each individual farm in Scotland to meet it ? Or have they pointed out that you are already there ?
 

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