That stinks.... too busy being PC and not looking at the reality?
All Wales NVZ
- Thread starter neilo
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That stinks.... too busy being PC and not looking at the reality?
- Location
- South Molton
In the south grass can have a nitrogen demand all year round.
Sorry I don’t follow.
Scholsey
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
if 90% of farms would qualify for a derogation then it’s probably why they took away that option. Not sure about NRW but I know the EA are concentrating on phosphates rather than nitrogen leaching.
Thinking there is an unfair advantage for the uplands because we traditionally have less opportunity to plaster on the N and efficiently grow grass.
Its a level playing field on a hillside angle.
Its a level playing field on a hillside angle.
Cowabunga
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Are you sure that the phosphate is from agriculture? Most of it has traditionally come through drains from housing, industry and sewerage works discharging directly into watercourses. Almost all the hormones comes from women peeing that take birth control pills and hence through sewerage outfalls whether 'treated' or not. It certainly doesn't come from farming.
Tarw Coch
Member
- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
I have said before on here, I am close to the boundary of an NVZ, I’m also close to a sewage works, others have said the same in other areas, what a coincidence.
I'm wondering what effect do those hormones have on fish in the rivers. Maybe this is one of the reasons for the apparent fall in numbers.
I fail to see why as we have more opportunities to spread slurry compared to a cropping situation. Whatever, I had heard about a phosphate issue, as most farms are grass only then the finger of suspicion obviously needs to point elsewhere, Welsh Water anybody?!
davidroberts30
Member
- Location
- pembrokeshire
Slurry contains on average per 1000 gallons
15 units N
4 units p
15 units K
Why are we getting the blame for phosphates?
One has to wonder?!
Cowabunga
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
But is there actually a fall in numbers and if so why? I seriously doubt the rhetoric that claims a fall in fish numbers. I am old enough, just about, to remember massive pollution of waterways from untreated sewerage and, yes, licensed discharge of farm dirty water into waterways and the riverbanks stank and there were seriously no fish on vast numbers of otherwise suitable rivers and large streams. As far as I can see the farming issue has massively improved since the 1970's and so have fish stocks and the number of rivers that contain numerous aquatic life.
So I don't fall for the silly claims made one little bit. There is massively more testing now than there ever was and the only polluters that have not significantly upped their game are the existing housing stock, the sewerage works and the road departments that spew millions of tons of salt on filthy rubbish-strewn roads that wash into fresh water streams.
Cowabunga
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Most farmers, especially intensive ones, analyse their soil and only apply expensive extra nutrients to balance what is removed by crops. Farmers will not waste money by applying more than is needed to maintain recommended soil indexes.
Cowabunga
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
They change the fish's sex and prevent them breeding. It's that simple.
I have a sewage pumping station in one of our fields right next to a stream. The water downstream of it changes colour and often has bubbles in it. Presumably from the soap that comes down the drains. Don't get it upstream of the sewage works though.
The environment agency probably 10 years ago sent someone to test the water stream and they followed it up as far as they could following the ditches up to our yard and found nothing upstream of the sewage works.
But they still stopped me keeping FYM on the concrete pad outside the shed where it had been for decades with no problems before
because they could be seen to do something most likely.The stream is still dirty looking and bubbly downstream from the sewage works.
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- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Even if there hadn’t been an all Wales NVZ, Pembrokeshire & West Wales were going to get one anyway. Look at the NRW ‘pollution incident’ maps posted up thread for the reason.
It was always coming for you guys.
- Location
- South Molton
I was watching a wildlife programme about Hippos and the amount of aquatic flora and fauna rely on the hippo defecating in the river.
They said if it wasn't for the hippo the river would be devoid of wildlife.
They said if it wasn't for the hippo the river would be devoid of wildlife.
Know someone who farms by a sewage pumping station near a riverI have a sewage pumping station in one of our fields right next to a stream. The water downstream of it changes colour and often has bubbles in it. Presumably from the soap that comes down the drains. Don't get it upstream of the sewage works though.
The environment agency probably 10 years ago sent someone to test the water stream and they followed it up as far as they could following the ditches up to our yard and found nothing upstream of the sewage works.
But they still stopped me keeping FYM on the concrete pad outside the shed where it had been for decades with no problems before
The stream is still dirty looking and bubbly downstream from the sewage works.
Can only wonder why 2 men go there every time it's p***ing it down and the rivers flooding?
davidroberts30
Member
- Location
- pembrokeshire
Where I live is a white area!!
I could name the culprit or culprits in mid pembs, why can nrw go and sort them out