Old milking parlours for small herds

Bald n Grumpy

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People getting greedy was one of the main reasons the MMB went, along with the monopoly. But we still have the wool board so why couldn’t the milk board have stayed in some form if people stuck together
Don't really remember mmb much but I think in our house it was thought to be past its best. Plenty of times in its past farmers were unhappy with the prices paid. I have some old farmers weekly and farmer &stock breeder from the 50/60/70s and articles are much the same as now with regards price of milk.
Don't think the wool boards much to base anything on either, plenty selling wool to the Irish and others.
 

LTH

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Don't really remember mmb much but I think in our house it was thought to be past its best. Plenty of times in its past farmers were unhappy with the prices paid. I have some old farmers weekly and farmer &stock breeder from the 50/60/70s and articles are much the same as now with regards price of milk.
Don't think the wool boards much to base anything on either, plenty selling wool to the Irish and others.
From what dads said yea not perfect but atleast everyone got the same, and there was someone to stand up against supermarkets. And advertise the products. The removal of quota was the perfect storm for sh!t milk price. Pay a good price to begin with, then when everyone whacks up production big companies can cut the price and the small ones have to follow to remain competitive. Then when people go out raise it a bit and the whole things goes round in circles!
 

LTH

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Livestock Farmer
Since jumping off the treadmill I have done a lot of reflection. Nothing hurts like selling your good cows through an auction and not being allowed to bid as it would be seen to be wrong and being left at home with the problem cows which due to high cull value you have had to pay more for than your good old cows that went through the ring. (Sorry losing your cows to TB would be much worse). Even milking problem cows feels better than milking no cows. Going forward we want a small herd of good pedigree cows. Ayrshires being my favourites.

I think being a small producer there is always a risk of losing your contract but I find price changes less upsetting. We have a non aligned contract so our milk price isn't great and we have to jump through hoops to get 1ppl of that at the end of the year. Being a non aligned producer is rubbish because it feels like the company decide who gets a good contract and survives and prospers and who ultimately fails. It doesn't matter how efficient you are. If you focus on this it would drive you insane so it is better to tow the line and just be happy milking a few cows (we love cows). I am keen that we no longer look just at milk but the whole farm and try and have less risky less capital intensive income streams. Subsidy income is important to us so going forward we will have to jump through many environmental hoops. Everyone expects us to go back to 200 cows but we really don't want to jump back on that treadmill.

I am glad in Ireland this is not the case and that all producers are treated the same whether you are big or small.
We’ve had a contract with our company for 10 years and in the last few years people on the non aligned ingredients contracts have been considerable better than us. Meadow have treat their farmers in Cumbria like sh!t, got rid of a lot of smaller producers and lost a milk contract so instead of reducing everyone they knocked 2p off the Cumbrian ones only. A lot of them that they got rid of have come on ours now.
 

Whitewalker

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Since jumping off the treadmill I have done a lot of reflection. Nothing hurts like selling your good cows through an auction and not being allowed to bid as it would be seen to be wrong and being left at home with the problem cows which due to high cull value you have had to pay more for than your good old cows that went through the ring. (Sorry losing your cows to TB would be much worse). Even milking problem cows feels better than milking no cows. Going forward we want a small herd of good pedigree cows. Ayrshires being my favourites.

I think being a small producer there is always a risk of losing your contract but I find price changes less upsetting. We have a non aligned contract so our milk price isn't great and we have to jump through hoops to get 1ppl of that at the end of the year. Being a non aligned producer is rubbish because it feels like the company decide who gets a good contract and survives and prospers and who ultimately fails. It doesn't matter how efficient you are. If you focus on this it would drive you insane so it is better to tow the line and just be happy milking a few cows (we love cows). I am keen that we no longer look just at milk but the whole farm and try and have less risky less capital intensive income streams. Subsidy income is important to us so going forward we will have to jump through many environmental hoops. Everyone expects us to go back to 200 cows but we really don't want to jump back on that treadmill.

I am glad in Ireland this is not the case and that all producers are treated the same whether you are big or small.

No shame in off farm work. We have 3 off farm income streams, the conventional farm sales and direct sales between the 3 of us . Takes the pressure off farm income and creates diversity and a more interesting life .
 

som farmer

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somerset
the conservationists, the 'green' brigade, ELM etc, all want to take farms back to a time, where all were mixed farming, with rosey faced peasants chewing straw. While we know that can never happen, do the gen public ? Many adverts on TV portray us that way, and s/mkts as well, like to imply the same. However, there is good reason to ponder over this, when farming was somewhere close to that 'ideal', mixed farms were the norm, we didn't chew straw, but we were probably more profitable ! Go back 2 steps from there, and virtually everything needed to farm, other than dead stock, was produced on farm, ie fodder for stock, and horses, which could also be bred on farm. Fast forward to today, there is a massive difference, the range of 'stuff' we import to our farms, from diesel to tractors to concentrates and fert. There is no way back to that, even if possible, there would be a massive redundancy of the parasites living of our backs, which i wouldn't have a problem with.
But why shouldn't farmers learn from mixed farming ? It was a way of ensuring they survived the ups and downs of the market place. I would imagine a family milking 30/40 cows, part time work, selling eggs etc, could have quite a nice living, perhaps better than we have today, at least they would get off farm, and meet people.
As said, there is no real way back for many, farms now are mainly 1 thing, but this thread is about small units, and old milking parlours, and for this type of farming, there is a way back to, small mixed, selling 'stuff' to the public farm gate, and/or partime work off farm, and it should be encouraged, because it might be an easier way into farming, and could well be a nice way to live.
 

jendan

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Mixed Farmer
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Northumberland
Don't really remember mmb much but I think in our house it was thought to be past its best. Plenty of times in its past farmers were unhappy with the prices paid. I have some old farmers weekly and farmer &stock breeder from the 50/60/70s and articles are much the same as now with regards price of milk.
Don't think the wool boards much to base anything on either, plenty selling wool to the Irish and others.
If the MMB was still in operation today,the milk price would be 40p + ,easily! How many people do you notice at the supermarkets checking the price? Its just picked up and put in the Basket/trolley.
 

LTH

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Livestock Farmer
If the MMB was still in operation today,the milk price would be 40p + ,easily! How many people do you notice at the supermarkets checking the price? Its just picked up and put in the Basket/trolley.
1995 was 25p according to dad, still on that today! Even if it was 30 we’d be on a good thing
 

deere 6600

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Mixed Farmer
If the MMB was still in operation today,the milk price would be 40p + ,easily! How many people do you notice at the supermarkets checking the price? Its just picked up and put in the Basket/trolley.
The problem with milk and I did milk cows for a number of years is not the liquid price it's the butter cheese etc which always dragged the overall price down especially in the old mmb days and they never had the guts to tell the processors pay up or bugger off
 

LTH

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Livestock Farmer
The problem with milk and I did milk cows for a number of years is not the liquid price it's the butter cheese etc which always dragged the overall price down especially in the old mmb days and they never had the guts to tell the processors pay up or bugger off
It’s the other way round now, better than what is there now coops like arla are basically a new version and look how well they are doing.
 

Whitewalker

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The problem with milk and I did milk cows for a number of years is not the liquid price it's the butter cheese etc which always dragged the overall price down especially in the old mmb days and they never had the guts to tell the processors pay up or bugger off
Dale farm ceo said liquid milk was their poorest return a few years ago and no surprise with 4 litres for next to bugger all in the shops
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
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somerset
there's no real pressure for s/mkts to up their price, until they do, we will suffer silly prices.
I started in 1996, on my own, milk 25p, 3 years later, after a bad accident, cows had to go, 14ppl, couldn't afford a cowman, and couldn't milk them on my own. Barreners, went to £300 from £750, went in just before BSE, shite timing.
But stayed farming, and when he was old enough, son wanted, we/he went back in. The biggest shock, was how costs had jumped up. However, for smaller farms, milk produces the best 'return'. After the cows went, let a bit for potatoes, grass keep and maize, 400 ewes, good lambs would av £60 or less, calves were cheap though, usually had 70/80 on the bucket all the time, sucklers didn't make much, fast forward to today, lambs and store cattle, somewhere north of the sun, calves are heading that way, but milk still 30ppl, better than 14 though. We have nearly 80 calves on the bucket at the moment, all our spring block, so far, chap came in today, will take every calf we don't want - bull calves, even the 4 jersey bull calves, we don't like shooting them, how the hell we price them, :scratchhead:
 

Cowcorn

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Mixed Farmer
Since jumping off the treadmill I have done a lot of reflection. Nothing hurts like selling your good cows through an auction and not being allowed to bid as it would be seen to be wrong and being left at home with the problem cows which due to high cull value you have had to pay more for than your good old cows that went through the ring. (Sorry losing your cows to TB would be much worse). Even milking problem cows feels better than milking no cows. Going forward we want a small herd of good pedigree cows. Ayrshires being my favourites.

I think being a small producer there is always a risk of losing your contract but I find price changes less upsetting. We have a non aligned contract so our milk price isn't great and we have to jump through hoops to get 1ppl of that at the end of the year. Being a non aligned producer is rubbish because it feels like the company decide who gets a good contract and survives and prospers and who ultimately fails. It doesn't matter how efficient you are. If you focus on this it would drive you insane so it is better to tow the line and just be happy milking a few cows (we love cows). I am keen that we no longer look just at milk but the whole farm and try and have less risky less capital intensive income streams. Subsidy income is important to us so going forward we will have to jump through many environmental hoops. Everyone expects us to go back to 200 cows but we really don't want to jump back on that treadmill.

I am glad in Ireland this is not the case and that all producers are treated the same whether you are big or small.
Im sorry that you are caught badly with a poor milk contract Lady muck , the farmer owned co- ops over here make all the difference . One milk price for all . The IFA all credit to them hold board members feet to the fire and the Milk price league in the Farmers journal ensures transparency . Without farmer control of milk proscessing we would end up like the Beef industry . Cant see ol Larry been a great payer somehow :) For Feb milk i recieved 39 cent + 1cent special bonus +5 cent winter bonus . 45 cent litre gross. All milk is paid for on solids and Feb average was 4.9 fat and 3.7 pr . Maize silage is great for putting solids in the tank and i wouldnt be without it for winter milk .
I hope you get back to where you want to be and that the small milk producers of the uk continue to prove the big shot consulants wrong and carry on forever .
 
How do you get on with mastitis? With the straw yards.
Not to bad as i said we scrape the whole lot out daily and in the front where the cows eat and poo the most in the afternoon too , we were not using the feed barriers at first and used to feed in a yard but awkward tanker times made us change tack . we do chuck down some cubicle lime to keep the bugs at bay /last nmr test was 157 cc bacto 13 bf 4.66
 

s line

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Not to bad as i said we scrape the whole lot out daily and in the front where the cows eat and poo the most in the afternoon too , we were not using the feed barriers at first and used to feed in a yard but awkward tanker times made us change tack . we do chuck down some cubicle lime to keep the bugs at bay /last nmr test was 157 cc bacto 13 bf 4.66
Ok thankyou and well done.

I work on one farm where they are loosed housed.Always mastitis and i hate mastitis.

I was going to suggest to them about using cubicle lime on the straw area.Do use it everywhere on the straw?And do you apply it?Product?
 

Jdunn55

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there's no real pressure for s/mkts to up their price, until they do, we will suffer silly prices.
I started in 1996, on my own, milk 25p, 3 years later, after a bad accident, cows had to go, 14ppl, couldn't afford a cowman, and couldn't milk them on my own. Barreners, went to £300 from £750, went in just before BSE, shite timing.
But stayed farming, and when he was old enough, son wanted, we/he went back in. The biggest shock, was how costs had jumped up. However, for smaller farms, milk produces the best 'return'. After the cows went, let a bit for potatoes, grass keep and maize, 400 ewes, good lambs would av £60 or less, calves were cheap though, usually had 70/80 on the bucket all the time, sucklers didn't make much, fast forward to today, lambs and store cattle, somewhere north of the sun, calves are heading that way, but milk still 30ppl, better than 14 though. We have nearly 80 calves on the bucket at the moment, all our spring block, so far, chap came in today, will take every calf we don't want - bull calves, even the 4 jersey bull calves, we don't like shooting them, how the hell we price them, :scratchhead:
Dont be fooled by the current beef and sheep prices, they wont stay where they are now, my lambs are heading north of 30kg average now with my biggest weighing 41kg, I can guarantee the week they're ready and hit 45kg that price will be through the floor!
 

som farmer

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somerset
Dont be fooled by the current beef and sheep prices, they wont stay where they are now, my lambs are heading north of 30kg average now with my biggest weighing 41kg, I can guarantee the week they're ready and hit 45kg that price will be through the floor!
that's just farming for you, we had a hfr prolapse yesterday, should have been a jersey, but massive fr bull, the whole lot followed the calf out, vet said they had never been so busy dealing with sheep, getting called out for prolapses, twin lamb, caesareans and hard lambings, i wonder why !
To be honest, the stock trade at the moment, scares me, it's a false market, that bubble may well burst, and some people are going to get badly hurt. Or it might really be a shortage, and the price may stay up, until everybody starts to ramp up production, then look out. Or, again it might be that these are world prices, as we are no longer in the EU, we are no longer in that sheltered/protected market place, perhaps buyers have realised they can no longer include the SFP in the prices they pay us. For the first time, since pre ww2, we are competing on a world market place, and you can be certain that processors are scouring the globe, for 'cheap' ingredients for processed food. Proper food, ie joints, steaks etc, will be headlined as UK, the shite processed gunge, will be, made in the UK !
 

kfpben

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Mid Hampshire
I bloody love this thread...keep looking at the old abreast parlour, last used in about 1968 and thinking hmmmmm we could have a go!

Main drawback I can see with a small herd is the difficulty of ever having time off. At least with beef & sheep it’s a bit more flexible.
I would really miss not being able to play cricket on a Sunday afternoon.
Big dairies with multiple staff can be more flexible.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
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somerset
I bloody love this thread...keep looking at the old abreast parlour, last used in about 1968 and thinking hmmmmm we could have a go!

Main drawback I can see with a small herd is the difficulty of ever having time off. At least with beef & sheep it’s a bit more flexible.
I would really miss not being able to play cricket on a Sunday afternoon.
Big dairies with multiple staff can be more flexible.
relief milkers can be a serious problem, it has to be admitted, we can't find a good one. But small herds can be both easy to manage, and not a lot of work, you have the advantage of starting simple, and staying simple, main stream dairy, has managed to complicate things, to such an extent, it becomes a treadmill, and very difficult to get off that wheel.
 

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