The NI/ROI Protocol

thewalrus

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Livestock Farmer
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Northern Ireland
Does J R Mogg have a share in this company?

Companies house(there is a website which is very useful)will tell you a good bit about the ownership.

I very much doubt anyone without a surname of lynas owns any shares in it though.

one of the biggest employers in the greater north coast area. Hit hard by covid, now getting it hard by the this.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin, France
Laugh your socks off!
Dominic Raab accused the EU yesterday of "trying to create a border in the Irish Sea" after he previously campaigned for and voted in Parliament for an Act of Law that created a border in the Irish Sea.
Why don't they understand the Bills they vote for?
 

Ashtree

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Laugh your socks off!
Dominic Raab accused the EU yesterday of "trying to create a border in the Irish Sea" after he previously campaigned for and voted in Parliament for an Act of Law that created a border in the Irish Sea.
Why don't they understand the Bills they vote for?

Dom, bless him, only figured out late into the Brexit negotiations, the relevance of Dover as a major shipping conduit into and out of Britain.😂
I don’t know if that’s a testament of the lack of quality of the British education system, or to the lack of cerebral activity in the vastness between his ears.
 

JimAndy

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Mixed Farmer
Ulster Unionism has always been poor at "selling its story" to the outside word in general compared to silver tongue of some nationalists/republicans.

it is that ulster unionism has been "poor" at selling it story. it that it got a poor story to sell. the so called leader have steadfast refused to move into the modern world, harking back to the days of their grand fathers. instead of promoting equally and freedom for all, they have stuck with the old political messages form the early 1900's, and as it looses the support on mild unionist like me, instead of dealing with the issues it has run further and further to the right making them even less attractive in the modern world
 

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer
it is that ulster unionism has been "poor" at selling it story. it that it got a poor story to sell. the so called leader have steadfast refused to move into the modern world, harking back to the days of their grand fathers. instead of promoting equally and freedom for all, they have stuck with the old political messages form the early 1900's, and as it looses the support on mild unionist like me, instead of dealing with the issues it has run further and further to the right making them even less attractive in the modern world
Who is the leader of Unionism you refer to?
 

The Agrarian

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
it is that ulster unionism has been "poor" at selling it story. it that it got a poor story to sell. the so called leader have steadfast refused to move into the modern world, harking back to the days of their grand fathers. instead of promoting equally and freedom for all, they have stuck with the old political messages form the early 1900's, and as it looses the support on mild unionist like me, instead of dealing with the issues it has run further and further to the right making them even less attractive in the modern world

That depends on who you look to. David Trimble (not my favourite unionist leader) brokered the deal that made the current settlement where all are equal. (With the exception of policing reform, which did discriminate against better qualified protestant applicants in favour of the 50:50 policy). Reg Empey, Mike Nesbitt, Robin Swann, Steve Aiken, all reasonable and moderate people who are very content with equality and a more peaceful and less confrontational kind of unionism. Tom Elliott is also a fair man, but I single him out as bearing heavy psychological scarring from the troubles, which has led him react less than graciously at times.

I'd argue there's a great deal of pragmatism, yourself included, in unionism. Don't walk away and let unionism be claimed by the extreme. Stand your ground for reason and for what is just. Our land needs these kinds of unionists to speak and reclaim the mainstream.
 

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer
Unionism is only united in the belief in maintaining the union between the 4 parts of the United Kingdom, beyond that is where divisions rapidly appear.
Then the apparently eternal battle between "hardline" types with the more "pragmatic less confrontational" types.
 

Ashtree

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Hilarious, this talk about the “precious union”! It’s complete nonsense of course. Belfast and NI in particular, enters into “English exceptionalist” consciousness whenever a few hundred loyal mutts, are needed for the front line in some foreign war. As for GB man or woman on the street, well they simply don’t care and don’t give one single fudge about NI or Belfast.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...brits-can-find-belfast-on-a-map-40230208.html
 

Ashtree

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Why is the UK government so scared of SF. it the reason we have the protocol cause they threatened to go back to violence. now we see them getting a free pass for breaking the law at a ira sumbag funeral. I'm a "soft "unionist and even this makes my blood boil

Im from ROI, and it makes my blood boil as well. I simply cannot stand their funeral charades, and utterly cannot stand their hi jacking of the tricolour, and taking it as their own flag.
But as a unionist, you must now clearly see that the UK government, establishment, Tory Party et al, have no further use for NI, no further interest in it.
Expecting them to “deal” with SF in any way, other than disinterested view from afar, is like expecting the sun to rise in the west!
 

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