So the report that I read the other day that we had the biggest spike in deaths since the second world war was wrong then?
EU vaccine role out.
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I think it's concern for them rather than passionately caring as it's so far away but it's better than a lack of compassion.
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We have been through all this previously
But you still won't have it.
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Call it concern, or care, or compassion or whatever you want, it amounts to the same thing. I still doubt the sincerity of it considering the lack of real interest in the suffering of those in the 3rd world up until the point that they have covid19.
The media chooses who you should have concern for, and when, out of millions of people suffering in the world at any given moment in time.
To my mind it's rather silly to pretend that this is not the case.
To be fair, rightly or wrongly we can connect with what's happening now a lot more than their more normal problems as we've experienced it and because of the consequences for us if the vast number of cases results in variants that are resistant to vaccines, what happens there could put us back to square one potentially.
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Ok,one more time...
Mortality 1925 - 2020
On a scale where 0 is bad prob 1920, 100 is good Def 2019.
By 1939 you get to 40 it dips to 37 because of war then continues pretty upwards every year occasional dips but deaths are from mostly consistent environmental factors, diseases and conditions.
Medical science, increasing wealth cause the figure to keep rising.
Gets to 96 by year 2000,It starts to plateau,(it cannot rise forever) gets another boost from flu vaccine.
By 2019 it's up to 100
You have built up a stock of old sick people, vulnerable to respiratory virus, with your successes.
In 2020 it drops to 98, it's the biggest change since WW2, it's also one of only 3-4 drops since then, so didn't have a lot of competition.
The virus was not contained particularly in hospitals and old people's homes where the vulnerable are concentrated.
It's really not a serious public health issue compared with many others.
"Biggest change for the worse since WW2" is just a phrase, it's about generating a headline, it's meaningless in public health terms.
Btw I literally can't be bothered to look up all the figures again, so the years/scale etc are off the top of my head.
Well I can't argue with any of your reasoning as I'm not well clued up on it, just quoted the story I read and the headline which seems to be widely accepted. Figures can say what you want them to say but it's a bit unfair to say we stocked up on oldies that were going to die anyway as most wouldn't.
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It seems the reporting has had the desired effect on you, you are scared that what happens there could have consequences for you here.
Yeah, we have a connection with Indians living out their short, miserable lives in slums because we've both had covid19. We've both experienced true suffering...
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What do you think happens to them exactly?
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What happened here with B.1.1.7 has now had consequences for others around the world so it's not unreasonable to be wary that possibly the tables could be turned.
Prof Jha said putting up divisions across the world “is going to happen, but it is fair to say that this is not going to protect the upper income countries”.
“Mutations will happen and eventually those mutations will find their way to Europe and North America and some of those mutations at least are going to bypass the antibodies that have been developed by vaccination, so people will remain susceptible to these mutants.
“It should strengthen the case of global cooperation, rather than create more inequity."
Why India's Covid catastrophe heralds dawn of ‘two-tiered’ world
Despite good signs in the UK, the coronavirus is running riot and health systems are buckling in many countries
www.telegraph.co.uk
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We have an old Spaniel (15 years) who we love dearly. She is well mentally very well. Her eyesight good but a bit deaf. Since November she has had 2 mini strokes. She receives about £50 month medication. Today she has had another mini stroke - but not as bad. Possibly if she is no better tomorrow my wife will take her to see our friendly vet. Friendly as we shall part with another £75 for a steroid type injection. Many similarities in that little tale with modern Britain and western society. Doubt many Indian dogs except for those of wealthy families receive treatment for strokes. In a more correct society I should be spending that monthly money buying covid vaccine for poor Indians.
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What happened here with B.1.1.7 has now had consequences for others around the world so it's not unreasonable to be wary that possibly the tables could be turned.
Prof Jha said putting up divisions across the world “is going to happen, but it is fair to say that this is not going to protect the upper income countries”.
“Mutations will happen and eventually those mutations will find their way to Europe and North America and some of those mutations at least are going to bypass the antibodies that have been developed by vaccination, so people will remain susceptible to these mutants.
“It should strengthen the case of global cooperation, rather than create more inequity."
Why India's Covid catastrophe heralds dawn of ‘two-tiered’ world
Despite good signs in the UK, the coronavirus is running riot and health systems are buckling in many countries
You have just set out why UK will truly become an island. Not bother me as I haven't left UK since 2008. And am not that bothered now. In fact I think anyone entering UK from anywhere should be compulsorily quarantined under armed guard at internment camps. Only way to be safe.
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Out of thousand old people in 2019.... 2018 mortality means 50 should die, instead 47 die.
In 2020 mortality is slightly worse than 2018, due to respiratory virus outbreak, (the people who survived 2019 survived because no resp viruses about)
Therefore you get the survivors dying plus maybe one or two more.
So you get 55 out of thousand.
It seems bad and can be made to look so if you want to make a headline about it, but actually it isn't.
Been on the aperitifs this afternoon hindy ?
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As long as the vaccines work I can't see why we wouldn't be able to travel. Other countries will welcome our cash. I can't wait to get on a beach.
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What happened here with B.1.1.7 has now had consequences for others around the world so it's not unreasonable to be wary that possibly the tables could be turned.
Prof Jha said putting up divisions across the world “is going to happen, but it is fair to say that this is not going to protect the upper income countries”.
“Mutations will happen and eventually those mutations will find their way to Europe and North America and some of those mutations at least are going to bypass the antibodies that have been developed by vaccination, so people will remain susceptible to these mutants.
“It should strengthen the case of global cooperation, rather than create more inequity."
Why India's Covid catastrophe heralds dawn of ‘two-tiered’ world
Despite good signs in the UK, the coronavirus is running riot and health systems are buckling in many countries
I agree mutations will happen, as they always have done. I find it sad that folk are encouraged to waste their lives hiding from it and worrying about it.
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Bored - doing BPS forms. G&T soon though.
Charlie Gill
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Apart from a few terminally afraid callers I've heard on LBC, all the people I see and know are over the moon and enjoying getting back to normal. Do you really believe a lot are hiding away?
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I do hope he’s not thinking India jones is real, and somewhere there is the secret of immortality
