ELMS in the real world.

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primmiemoo

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Devon
Young McDonald said:
seems to be the problem - farmers who have surplus land and are not "farming" (i.e. "SO RE-WILD") VS. farmers non eligable from being overworked / already are at capacity ? (i.e. "would benefit from holiday").

seems better to "performance ratio" hand pick people from one area of the country and offer them tenure as opposed to patronising one; insentivising another ?
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In my book, far better to respect the tradition and culture that knows how our species diverse farms remain that way. Benchmark, and knowledge transfer.
As ELMS looks at this early stage, the figures are awful. The cliff edge hasn't budged, but there's a shimmering mirage of farm gate prices that have come up to what they should have been 20 years ago that's disguising it.
 
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Chris W

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Arable Farmer
Having spent some time going through the figures today; I know it is only part 1 of 3 but, it does not appear to be particularly exciting from a financial perspective.

As a root crop grower I am immediately out of the soils section as there is no way I can guarentee not to run on wet soils even if willing to grow cover crops, chop straw and spread manure to help the soil recover after the event.

The only real prospects for us are the Water body buffer strips and arable land scheme neither of which are really going to provide any more profit than cropping the ground.

Certainly not going to fill the gap left by the loss of BPS
 
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delilah

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Chris W said:
The only real prospects for us are the Water body buffer strips and arable land scheme neither of which are really going to provide any more profit than cropping the ground.
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The only thing that makes financial sense for us is to max out on the water strips and grass plots. To then rip them up again at the end of the agreement. Someone needs to explain the public good in that because i'm not seeing it.
 
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farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Chris W said:
Having spent some time going through the figures today; I know it is only part 1 of 3 but, it does not appear to be particularly exciting from a financial perspective.

As a root crop grower I am immediately out of the soils section as there is no way I can guarentee not to run on wet soils even if willing to grow cover crops, chop straw and spread manure to help the soil recover after the event.

The only real prospects for us are the Water body buffer strips and arable land scheme neither of which are really going to provide any more profit than cropping the ground.

Certainly not going to fill the gap left by the loss of BPS
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That penny has yet to drop for many who still think ELMS is some magically BPS income replacement.
 
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farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
delilah said:
The only thing that makes financial sense for us is to max out on the water strips and grass plots. To then rip them up again at the end of the agreement. Someone needs to explain the public good in that because i'm not seeing it.
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Is there any danger that we wont be allowed to rip them up at the end of the agreement, even if not continuing to get paid for them? :confused:
 
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Chris W

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Arable Farmer
Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way?
Do the capital grants available on CS (that appear to be copied into the ELMS) make it worthwhile?
 
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delilah

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farmerm said:
Is there any danger that we wont be allowed to rip them up at the end of the agreement, even if not continuing to get paid for them? :confused:
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Can't see it. For parity they would have to make all options a long term agreement. Will they make those claiming the DD sub sign up for, say, 25 years ? Would vastly reduce the value of the land for one thing. Anyway, by the time the pilots are half way through they will have changed it all beyond recognition :) (y) .
 
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Young McDonald

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primmiemoo said:
In my book, far better to respect the tradition and culture that knows how our species diverse farms remain that way. Benchmark, and knowledge transfer.
As ELMS looks at this early stage, the figures are awful. The cliff edge hasn't budged, but there's a shimmering mirage of farm gate prices that have come up to what they should have been 20 years ago that's disguising it.
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people need to be capable of "integrating" said knowlege (/ "ELMS is seemingly not directed at you") - agreeable it is a "disguise" BUT lament that it is needed in the first place ?.

2021 problem - "the incompatible art of tradition" - PROBLEM: unsolved ? (- i can't work it out / have spent inuberable hours thinking / the gouvernment can't crack the chestnut either seemingly... ?
 
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primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
Young McDonald said:
people need to be capable of "integrating" said knowlege (/ "ELMS is seemingly not directed at you") - agreeable it is a "disguise" BUT lament that it is needed in the first place ?.

2021 problem - "the incompatible art of tradition" - PROBLEM: unsolved ? (- i can't work it out / have spent inuberable hours thinking / the gouvernment can't crack the chestnut either seemingly... ?
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My apologies, @Young McDonald , I've been toiling in the sun, and finding it hard to think. I wonder if you might humour me, and unpack your points a little more, please?
 
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farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
steveR said:
I would say that there is a HUGE danger of just that. NE/RPA have form on this as we all know :(
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Why do agents and NFU allow or even encourage us to sign up to bad legal contracts? There should be consensus within the industry that no one signs agreements to the new scheme until as an industry we are content that the terms are reasonable, that they are fair and that they protect us from having longer term restrictions being imposed which do not form part of the agreement. NE/RPA can not be allowed to move the goal posts having had us first sign up to bad agreements in good faith. There is little good faith remaining! The government want us to get on board, terms need to be negotiated not dictated.
 
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delilah said:
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Can't see it. For parity they would have to make all options a long term agreement. Will they make those claiming the DD sub sign up for, say, 25 years ? Would vastly reduce the value of the land for one thing. Anyway, by the time the pilots are half way through they will have changed it all beyond recognition :) (y) .
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