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Headage Payments were the Nitram of expansion and did a lot of damage to smaller farms
Yup , I’d fight tooth and nail against going back to that it was a disaster.Headage Payments were the Nitram of expansion and did a lot of damage to smaller farms
The same has happened outside the EU and it’s ag support, it’s called ‘progress’, rightly or wrongly.
I would suggest the sub has slowed it.
How was headage awful, no bloody paperwork or endless interference or environmental rules, simply a nice ministry chap turning up with prior notice to count a few cows & sheep, compared with what we are lumbered with now it was heaven in comparison! All it needs is a limit on numbers.Who wants to help young farmers get started and why ? Headage was awfull .
If you don’t understand by now you never will , I ain’t entering an argument about the past or something that isn’t going to happen anyway so jog on eh but take it from one who farmed extensively through both systems headage did more harm than any good .How was headage awful, no bloody paperwork or endless interference or environmental rules, simply a nice ministry chap turning up with prior notice to count a few cows & sheep, compared with what we are lumbered with now it was heaven in comparison!
Hardly enough to encourage folk into mass production tho is it .Still get headage payments in Scotland. Beef calf scheme pays roughly £100/hd per calf.
Also the small farm is bought by the big neighbour house sold for retired incomers or second home , school closes shops go and the village dies . The big farmer mortgaged to the hilt and has to keep expanding.
Seems to me the death knell for small farms started when headage payments stopped & you were then payed for each acre you claimed on, easy money if you were rich, the only people who disliked headage payments were the greedy buggers who stuffed their farms with ever more stock just for the payments.If you don’t understand by now you never will , I ain’t entering an argument about the past or something that isn’t going to happen anyway so jog on eh but take it from one who farmed extensively through both systems headage did more harm than any good .
If big is efficient, why do they need subsidy?Small farms are usually have no Labour to pay and no debt , big farms have a shut load of debt sh!t load of Labour , large estates need it don’t kid yourself they in the main struggle .
Don't try and pretend that the cap has done nothing but harm to farmers, consumers or the environment.Well , in around about way it is brexits fault. If you were in the EU you'd get the subs.
Now your government gets to decide and they've decided to shaft you!
Their slogan during the brexit campaign was " we can pay our farmers properly" and now they're not going to pay you at all.
Karma
Cap has provided cheap food, avoided famine, and in europe it has kept farmers on the land.Don't try and pretend that the cap has done nothing but harm to farmers, consumers or the environment.
only if theres a margin other wise the bigger you are the more you loose, yes at current grain prices no when it was £90/tBut surely if bigger is better and more efficient the big guys don’t have the same need
Yes but as above, it has allowed recreational production which ultimately has benefitted everyone else in the supply chain (including the inputs side) except farmers.Cap has provided cheap food, avoided famine, and in europe it has kept farmers on the land.
In the uk with our fuked up land system, it has driven farmers off the land
If big is efficient, why do they need subsidy?
The unlimited payment of iacs and bps and to a lesser extrnt sfp has encouraged estates to empty out tenants and become “ farmers” which in history has never worked and will fail again.
The countryside has emptied at a frightening rate in the last twenty years which could have been lessened if support was tapered off as the eu originally intended but vetoed by uk govt
this is the dillusion many farmers were under voting for brexit, convieniently forgetting the rise of the supermarkets the last 30 years keeping farm prices on the floor while our costs rise the only thing thats kept many going is the subInterestingly this large reduction in farms has come about roughly during the time we have been in the EU "benefiting" from subsidy.
Has the subsidy held back the reduction of small farms or encouraged it?
Is it cappedStill get headage payments in Scotland. Beef calf scheme pays roughly £100/hd per calf.