You keep both but any taxpayer support should be targeted at the small guy, for fecks sake they don't pay tax benefits to the rich & poor alike why should they do so in farming!!
End of the Road for Small Livestock Farms?
- Thread starter Frank-the-Wool
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- Location
- South Lanarkshire
plant trees on your worst 10 per cent to save the planet and the gov pay you to do it I guess sub was supposed to allow Mr farmer to produce cheap food but still survive????
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Their are guys with nearly ten million borrowed with droves of staff , they ain’t going to fair over well without subs are they . The small farm with no debt just go get a job or a part time job or diversification for a few years or for ever , what will the big boys do ?
Big could not be more inefficient if it tried !
- Location
- East Sussex
Yes I agree that supply and demand are the drivers, but subsidies distort the supply.
Transport is no longer "cheap" the price of containers is almost 4 x higher than before the pandemic. Air freight has been temporarily cheap but now rising fast. Passengers subsidised air freight!!
The price of oil is at long last rising and politicians with a green agenda will be loathe to prevent it, the G7 have agreed to stop all coal power.
The farmer in Morocco of course sells to individuals or local abattoir, it is the % of money spent on food that is so dramatically different and the priority given to food. And of course no crippling overhead costs from people with clipboards!!
- Location
- Fife
Plenty of big landowners in the commons too.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Exactly
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Big farms work on tiny margins but still churn stuff out thus further pressurising the small farm as he needs a bigger margin , large massive units are a bigger threat than no subsidy but subsidy allows them to get so big .
That is not support, what you lose in production from that 10% is not covered by the benefit of the trees, at the end of the day it is not extra support it's simply swopping one income for another, you are not replacing the existing extra support!
- Location
- Lincolnshire
The only warning I’ll sound is that round here any permanent pasture subsidy would more likely be drawn by very wealthy incomers from London who buy a small farm for its amenity value and graze a few rare breeds on it as a financially unviable hobby. In this part of the world small farms that stand on their own feet run by natives are very few and far between. There are others run as offshoots of other businesses by fairly hard nosed businessmen for various not altogether altruistic reasons.
Be very careful how you design support schemes because many small farms are nothing like the stereotype that people think they are.
Be very careful how you design support schemes because many small farms are nothing like the stereotype that people think they are.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
I heard yesterday a large local estate who have emptied most of their tenants have just lost their two main tractor drivers.
Going to be interesting harvest!!
Going to be interesting harvest!!
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Take a farm feeding a super market with 10000 fat cattle if he nets £20.00 head he’s dose ok , man fattening 100 cattle can’t do it for 20quid a head can he ?
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
All farmhouses cottages and buildings should have a section 75 slapped on them to keep them only for agricultural people.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
That’s the sum of it . Same happened with eggs and pigs. Greed was what killed it.
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Are their enough agricultural people left ? Not enough money in agg to bring a lot of the property’s up to standard .
No its not, higher rate of around £150/head for the islands too
Why? Agriculture and land use is changing as it has done so many times in the past.
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
It’s just part of our average payment , over the border it’s incorporated in the payment , that’s why more cows gone south of here they collect the money without the cow , we need the cow to collect the money .
Skintagain
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- Location
- Perched on the Pennines
some will survive some won’t. Some make 60 acres into a full time job when it isn’t.
horses for courses it might do a few people a favour and make the decision for them end not have 100 years of guilt on them for been The generation to give up.
horses for courses it might do a few people a favour and make the decision for them end not have 100 years of guilt on them for been The generation to give up.
- Location
- Northumberland
Almost gone the same way with milk. £1.35 for 2 litres at the supermarket. No one really looks at the price,it just gets put in the trolley.
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Easy to say when you have more than 60 to 100 acres but won’t be long till the 1000 acres is in same position .