Methane

puppet · Jul 18, 2021

Could it be that global warming is nothing to do with emissions but just burning stuff? I light the fire in my sitting room and it gets warmer. As part of that CO2 happens to be released.
Rural glens get frosts, towns and cities don't because they produce a lot more heat. 100 million 90 degree hot car engines won't help either. Eventually the whole world gets warmer.
Cows at 39 degrees hardly radiating much.
OK it is science for dummies (me) but historically we have hundreds of examples of linking cause and effect by measuring the wrong markers

Highland Mule · Jul 18, 2021

puppet said:
Could it be that global warming is nothing to do with emissions but just burning stuff? I light the fire in my sitting room and it gets warmer. As part of that CO2 happens to be released.
Rural glens get frosts, towns and cities don't because they produce a lot more heat. 100 million 90 degree hot car engines won't help either. Eventually the whole world gets warmer.
Cows at 39 degrees hardly radiating much.
OK it is science for dummies (me) but historically we have hundreds of examples of linking cause and effect by measuring the wrong markers

The warming comes from us trapping more of the sun’s energy, which is a result of the greenhouse gases acting like, well, a sheet of greenhouse gas. That part of the science is settled.

DaveGrohl · Jul 18, 2021

puppet said:
historically we have hundreds of examples of linking cause and effect by measuring the wrong markers

A little knowledge is dangerous. Medical students used to be told that 50% of what they learn at medical college will turn out to be wrong. Trouble is we don't know yet which 50%.

I'm not even sure we have as much as a little knowledge yet on climate change. We think we know it all though and this is 100% of the problem. Gas masks for cows in a govt ordered report that took two years to compile? QED.

holwellcourtfarm · Jul 18, 2021

DaveGrohl said:
A little knowledge is dangerous. Medical students used to be told that 50% of what they learn at medical college will turn out to be wrong. Trouble is we don't know yet which 50%.

I'm not even sure we have as much as a little knowledge yet on climate change. We think we know it all though and this is 100% of the problem. Gas masks for cows in a govt ordered report that took two years to compile? QED.

Exactly. Isn't it fascinating how virtually all of the "scientists" publicly opposing anthropogenic climate change are specialists in anything but climate science. Astronomers and Astro-physicists are hugely over-represented.....

holwellcourtfarm · Jul 18, 2021

puppet said:
My brother-in-law flew to a meeting in Brazil and flew back the next day. He said it needed to be face-to-face . Starting to wonder if he was Carlos the Jackal.

VERY few meetings GENUINELY need to be face-to-face these days.

Crapfarmer · Jul 18, 2021

jondear said:
And some Billionaire Bellends are In a race to go to space ffs.How are they doing that ? without burning vast quantities of fossil fuels!

And Branson has stopped eating beef to help save the planet . Pr###

Poorbuthappy · Jul 18, 2021

Crapfarmer said:
And Branson has stopped eating beef to help save the planet . Pr###

This is why I have said the demonisation of meat is counterproductive to stopping climate change. People think by giving up meat they’ve done their bit, when in fact they've done zilch, probably even added to the problem.

Crapfarmer · Jul 18, 2021

Poorbuthappy said:
This is why I have said the demonisation of meat is counterproductive to stopping climate change. People think by giving up meat they’ve done their bit, when in fact they've done zilch, probably even added to the problem.

Why hasn't anybody mentioned the seven and a half billion people on this planet bleaching and farming everyday. Eat seaweed everybody

Ffermer Bach · Jul 18, 2021

Crapfarmer said:
Why hasn't anybody mentioned the seven and a half billion people on this planet bleaching and farming everyday. Eat seaweed everybody

it's not the 7 1/2 billion that is causing the problems, it is the billion people who live in the affluent west who are mainly the problem!

Crapfarmer · Jul 18, 2021

Ffermer Bach said:
it's not the 7 1/2 billion that is causing the problems, it is the billion people who live in the affluent west who are mainly the problem!

Do we in the West fart more than the other6 1/2 million.

Tarw Coch · Jul 18, 2021

Crapfarmer said:
Why hasn't anybody mentioned the seven and a half billion people on this planet bleaching and farming everyday. Eat seaweed everybody

I have heard it said that the wealthiest 1% of the worlds population are responsible for more emissions than the poorest 50%.
Don’t know if it’s a verifiable fact but it wouldn’t surprise me

Henarar · Jul 18, 2021

Tarw Coch said:
I have heard it said that the wealthiest 1% of the worlds population are responsible for more emissions than the poorest 50%.
Don’t know if it’s a verifiable fact but it wouldn’t surprise me

That 1% is giving up meat so it will be an ice age before you know it

agri knives · Jul 18, 2021

The methane produces is a temporary gas that lasts 12 years and so does no longtime harm, the problem is it’s counted in with fossil fuel which it should not be,

Crapfarmer · Jul 18, 2021

agri knives said:
The methane produces is a temporary gas that lasts 12 years and so does no longtime harm, the problem is it’s counted in with fossil fuel which it should not be,

You are all right, top 1% do emit more co2 per person than the bottom 50% because of there use in fossil fuels directly or indirectly by using electric for example. Fossil fuels have taken the last three million years to be locked in the ground and the last hundred years to release it as carbon. Methane is 24 times more harmful than co2 that's why scientist get a bit giddy when quoting gas emitted from cows. But it is very quickly recycled back into plants and the natural environment.

Highland Mule · Jul 18, 2021

agri knives said:
The methane produces is a temporary gas that lasts 12 years and so does no longtime harm

Crapfarmer said:
Methane is 24 times more harmful than co2 that's why scientist get a bit giddy when quoting gas emitted from cows. But it is very quickly recycled back into plants and the natural environment.

A tad disingenuous.

Let’s get the facts right. Methane is a more effective greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, and then degrades after some time into carbon dioxide, some of which will in time be taken up by plants. It is always worse to emit methane than to emit carbon dioxide. Sure, it is in part a natural cycle, but atoms and molecules are fully transferable and if the plants didn’t take up the CO2 that came from the methane that the cows burped and farted, they would take up other CO2 instead

Crapfarmer · Jul 18, 2021

Highland Mule said:
A tad disingenuous.

Let’s get the facts right. Methane is a more effective greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, and then degrades after some time into carbon dioxide, some of which will in time be taken up by plants. It is always worse to emit methane than to emit carbon dioxide. Sure, it is in part a natural cycle, but atoms and molecules are fully transferable and if the plants didn’t take up the CO2 that came from the methane that the cows burped and farted, they would take up other CO2 instead

I was only trying to simplify things. My point being when you cut a tree down and burn it you are releasing the carbon that it took in to grow. Like wise when a cow eats grass it is only releasing the same amount of carbon. It all goes wrong when a tractor is used to feed that grass because of the fossil fuels involved.

Highland Mule · Jul 18, 2021

Crapfarmer said:
I was only trying to simplify things. My point being when you cut a tree down and burn it you are releasing the carbon that it took in to grow. Like wise when a cow eats grass it is only releasing the same amount of carbon. It all goes wrong when a tractor is used to feed that grass because of the fossil fuels involved.

Agreed, and worst is if we are releasing carbon that has been buried in the ground for millenia. But let's not dismiss the methane effect as trivial because it isn't, although it is in a fairly steady state, and if there is a simple and obvious way to nudge the steady state to a better position, we should be prepared to try it.

tepapa · Jul 18, 2021

All I can say is thank God for all the early settlers wiping out all the buffalo/bison in North America and the same in Africa, they must have saved millions of tons of methane from being released. Those ruminants don't deserve to live if they destroy our planet.

Poncherello1976 · Jul 18, 2021

Highland Mule said:
The warming comes from us trapping more of the sun’s prehistoric energy, which is a result of the greenhouse gases acting like, well, a sheet of greenhouse gas. That part of the science is settled.

Edited for you

Highland Mule · Jul 18, 2021

Poncherello1976 said:
Edited for you

Incorrect, unless you have a very poor understanding of history. The greenhouse gases are trapping contemporary energy, that left the sun around 8 and a half minutes ago.

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