Are you all depressed ?

Wombat · Jul 22, 2021

Not depression but the whole last year has been wound a bit tight with anxiety which seems to now manifest itself as an iregular heart beat. I think a lot of it is how we relax, things have changed a lot and the ways i used to relax such as sat reading in a plane i don;t get so eventually the release valve had to go dealing with home schooling, work, farming etc

Clive · Jul 22, 2021

Hampton said:
He didn’t say he was poor, just that making a living was tough with the massive fluctuations in price.
You are trivialising as your solution is sell up and leave. If you weren’t trivialising you may have sympathised or offered sensible solutions

I guess I'm suggesting it's choice

there possibly is no other sensible solution but at least someone in such a situation does have the luxury of that choice making his situation farm better than 99.999% of people on this planet

never blame anyone for your own choices

Clive · Jul 22, 2021

teslacoils said:
It's entirely possible to be the owner of 200ac but in reality the bank own most of that asset, and the rest securing the overdraft on the growing crops.

in which case you don't own 200ac

my definition of owning something is only valid if paid for in full

TheTallGuy · Jul 22, 2021

Clive said:
This is pretty much what I was trying to say but put better than I did ................. is the reason an industry-wide depression ? and if so how do we snap an entire industry out of the spiral?

It's not exclusive to farming though - go into pretty much any other industry & you'll see the same.... people moan & the echo chambers of (anti) social media don't help anyone. Take a wander around your local supermarket & listen to the staff conversations.... 75% is bitching and moaning, visit a building site.... bitching & moaning about H&S, corner cutting, prices being driven down, machinery dealers.... moaning about lack of supply & kit that isn't reliable & doesn't really perform as it should, local timber merchants... bitching & moaning about suppliers & customers, barbers... moaning about having to pay rent during lockdown whilst not working.... the list goes on....

I find it ironic how in recent years there's a big push on how important it is to share our issues & not bottle things up.... soon as we do people then start banging around terms such as depression.

Widgetone · Jul 22, 2021

Havent gone through every post, but some people are easily aggravated on here.
Probably a combo of heat, envy, politics, and imminent harvest pressure for the stockless, and 24/7 fatigue from the livestock/mixed folks.

teslacoils · Jul 22, 2021

Clive said:
in which case you don't own 200ac

my definition of owning something is only valid if paid for in full

In that case, I'd suggest that with various back of envelope / family arrangements, that many farmers may actually own f-all.

I'd suggest also that some would see a 200ac bought and paid for farm as insufficiency leveraged given current interest rates.

I'll add that many that own 200ac don't own it courtesy of their own hard work.

So it would be wrong to make assumptions about others businesses; about who is or isn't "doing well"; about if wealth was an indicator of success or happiness.

There's seemingly something of a link between wealth and cuntishness but it's not linear. However studies are showing there is a family link to depressive attitudes, just like there is with cuntishness.

Most folk will say I'm often very happy, or very sad; often that I can be "hard work". But I'll take that over being perceived as a bit of a see you next Tuesday.

Anyway, bit of decent sun so I'm off to go and look at, then probably worry about, my good looking wheat crop.

Clive · Jul 22, 2021

teslacoils said:
In that case, I'd suggest that with various back of envelope / family arrangements, that many farmers may actually own f-all.

I'd suggest also that some would see a 200ac bought and paid for farm as insufficiency leveraged given current interest rates.

I'll add that many that own 200ac don't own it courtesy of their own hard work.

So it would be wrong to make assumptions about others businesses; about who is or isn't "doing well"; about if wealth was an indicator of success or happiness.

There's seemingly something of a link between wealth and cuntishness but it's not linear. However studies are showing there is a family link to depressive attitudes, just like there is with cuntishness.

Most folk will say I'm often very happy, or very sad; often that I can be "hard work". But I'll take that over being perceived as a bit of a see you next Tuesday.

Anyway, bit of decent sun so I'm off to go and look at, then probably worry about, my good looking wheat crop.

not many lenders will allow 100% security so even if you have debt you own a % of what is borrowed against

I guess my real point is that no one HAS to farm, there is no law or obligation, if you can't make it work financially or for any reason lose the enjoyment .................... stop ! there will be other choices

lloyd · Jul 22, 2021

The only thing depressing about farming is this thread.
There is a major difference between being depressed and tired
and I'd hazard a guess that most farmers would be very positive
if they allowed themselves a fortnights holiday.

Hampton · Jul 22, 2021

Widgetone said:
Havent gone through every post, but some people are easily aggravated on here.
Probably a combo of heat, envy, politics, and imminent harvest pressure for the stockless, and 24/7 fatigue from the livestock/mixed folks.

Why is that every time a disagreement occurs on here, someone comes along and pulls out the envy card.
I’m sorry it’s bollox. Many farmers have had difficult years for multitudes of reasons and need a good year to settle things down.
many of us are optimistic of a good harvest, the sun is shining, hay is made and the pubs are open, but that doesn’t mean that many of us can’t be nervous about the future and all the change that it entails and a govt department that don’t seem to have a plan.

perhaps the only thing we are allowed to be negative about it red tractor?

Goweresque · Jul 22, 2021

teslacoils said:
Farming in my own right didn't make me depressed. I was we down the road by aged 14. Farming makes me anxious, especially around harvest time. Buts that's different. The depression is like a feeling of being crushed. It really crushes the energy, the fight, the drive out of you. This is compounded by the isolation, especially in the dark winter months. At the moment I'm pretty pleased with farming; my youngest has just had his last day at primary school etc. I've done a decent job at farming, and daddying. But there will always be that cyclical, crushing feeling that can appear with very little warning.

This may sound like a silly question, but do you have any mercury fillings in your teeth? I suffered from increasing depression through my 20s and 30s, which very weirdly suddenly disappeared in my late 30s, about a year so so after I had all my mercury fillings removed (As a 70s kid I drank far too much Ribena

) and replaced with the white fillings instead. I made the change for cosmetic reasons, but was struck afterwards by the coincidental nature of my subsequent mental improvement. There is some scientific evidence that small amounts of mercury leaching from fillings over a long period of time can affect mood quite significantly.

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Derrick Hughes · Jul 22, 2021

Clive said:
again, I don't understand why you even needed to reply, I'm not trying to be "clever" I'm simply expressing an opinion,

if you don't like it then ignore it, why are we so confrontational/defensive as farmers? ........... this IS my point and social media (Twitter and TFF is full of such anger it seems )

A lot of it is getting the wrong end of the stick

Derrick Hughes · Jul 22, 2021

Clive said:
This is pretty much what I was trying to say but put better than I did ................. is the reason an industry-wide depression ? and if so how do we snap an entire industry out of the spiral?

Depends which depression your talking about , depression bought on by stress or long term depressions which is more of an illness I would have thought

theboytheboy · Jul 22, 2021

Cowmansam said:
It is so

teslacoils said:
In that case, I'd suggest that with various back of envelope / family arrangements, that many farmers may actually own f-all.

I'd suggest also that some would see a 200ac bought and paid for farm as insufficiency leveraged given current interest rates.

I'll add that many that own 200ac don't own it courtesy of their own hard work.

So it would be wrong to make assumptions about others businesses; about who is or isn't "doing well"; about if wealth was an indicator of success or happiness.

There's seemingly something of a link between wealth and cuntishness but it's not linear. However studies are showing there is a family link to depressive attitudes, just like there is with cuntishness.

Most folk will say I'm often very happy, or very sad; often that I can be "hard work". But I'll take that over being perceived as a bit of a see you next Tuesday.

Anyway, bit of decent sun so I'm off to go and look at, then probably worry about, my good looking wheat crop.

Thanks for the word cuntishness!

Mr Mackay · Jul 22, 2021

silverfox said:
I wouldn’t day my chin was down . Finished barley with decent yields of grain and straw in perfect conditions and played football last night ( in the heat) . It’s very rewarding and feel lucky to still play with a group 50-73 yr olds that are fit for our ages . They come from all sorts of back grounds and are always asking what’s going on farming wise . Maybe they see farming in an idyllic way, but most would swap with us .

I think they would all love to have space in the idyll of the countryside !!
I was at the Orthapedic the other day and the lovely X Ray lady was asking if I had put any glamping spaces up because she wanted just to get away in a field on her own(ish) and use the portaloo etc !!

We are so lucky (most of us ) to be where we are but sometimes the metaphorical trees get in the way !!

Mr Mackay · Jul 22, 2021

DrWazzock said:
Go to any farm round here just before harvest and you will find grumpy people. Its just how it is. A years work ready to be bashed flat by a thunderstorm. Always has been like that and always will be. It's not a fun park, its a serious industry where time and money matters. If you don't like it then get a job in a call centre or some place you sit and chat about your holidays or something. There isn't time for frivolity. Take your eye off the ball, don't pay attention and goes it wrong big style. It is a serious business, that's requires a serious approach, not jolly japes, well at this level anyway.

Careful Now

Bury the Trash · Jul 22, 2021

Mr Mackay said:
I think they would all love to have space in the idyll of the countryside !!
I was at the Orthapedic the other day and the lovely X Ray lady was asking if I had put any glamping spaces up because she wanted just to get away in a field on her own(ish) and use the portaloo etc !!

We are so lucky (most of us ) to be where we are but sometimes the metaphorical trees get in the way !!

But not the work of it, they dont seem to want that because if they did why is there a shortage of farm workers. they wouldnt want to take a pay cut either to live in a proper rural area.

where would they live? theres a shortage of housing for local wrking types, plenty of community disfunctional 2nd/holiday homes mind you.

The countryside to a working farmer is a work place.
and I love it but when , i walk the farm and if i dont turn a blind eye all i see is work that needs doing.
and that's constantly ongoing, nature doesnt stop changing itself at 5pm or on a Sunday.

Kevtherev · Jul 22, 2021

DrWazzock said:
Go to any farm round here just before harvest and you will find grumpy people. Its just how it is. A years work ready to be bashed flat by a thunderstorm. Always has been like that and always will be. It's not a fun park, its a serious industry where time and money matters. If you don't like it then get a job in a call centre or some place you sit and chat about your holidays or something. There isn't time for frivolity. Take your eye off the ball, don't pay attention and goes it wrong big style. It is a serious business, that's requires a serious approach, not jolly japes, well at this level anyway.

Lambing time similar
Best avoid farms then

Mr Mackay · Jul 22, 2021

Bury the Trash said:
But not the work of it, because if they did there wouldnt be a shortage of farm workers.

The countryside to a working farmer is a work place.
and I love it but when , i walk the farm and if i dont turn a blind eye all i see is work that needs doing.
and that's constantly ongoing, nature doesnt stop changing itself at 5pm or on a Sunday.

That was my point about the trees getting in the way - work . We love our evviroment but others see it purely to enjoy without work !!

Highland Mule · Jul 22, 2021

Derrick Hughes said:
A lot of it is getting the wrong end of the stick

100% agree. But remember that (to cite a military maxim) a problem of failed message in communication can only ever be the fault of the sender.

It’s not helped by people presenting their opinions as facts either, IMHO, especially on issues that are contentious in nature.

thesilentone · Jul 22, 2021

Widgetone said:
Havent gone through every post, but some people are easily aggravated on here.
Probably a combo of heat, envy, politics, and imminent harvest pressure for the stockless, and 24/7 fatigue from the livestock/mixed folks.

I agree, however again, it's not exclusive to AG, I've noticed on many forums people are becoming quite aggressive in there tone.

Social media has allot to answer for.

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