- Location
- Limousin/Charentes toad land
Does early sown barley tick any boxes? That fair gets away quick and must use up some N instantly 
Autumn manure banned
- Thread starter l'ordinary bonville
- Start date
- Location
- Yorks
Tbh I agree, in that we've applied FYM every year to some fields (20+ years). The spring barley still needs 140kgN/ha from a bag.
It certainly doesn't look like it's getting 150-200kgN made available from historick FYM applications. So where is that N from the FYM? Where has it gone?
- Location
- Yorks
There must be a difference in autumn N use between mid sept drilled barley vs 1st Dec drilled wheat.Does early sown barley tick any boxes? That fair gets away quick and must use up some N instantly
- Location
- Limousin/Charentes toad land
- Location
- Limousin/Charentes toad land
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Rules say field heaps should be piled high to minimise surface area to reduce ammonia emissions.....
- Location
- Limousin/Charentes toad land
Here, we have a maximum height, and it isn’t very high. Can’t understand that at all
I’m not sure about the N, but we have been living off the built up organic matter from a century of grazing and manure use. In a dry year I could still see to a line in the beet crop where an old field boundary had been where a grass field had been ploughed up 20 years previously next to a bit that had been in cultivation for a further 50 years.
- Location
- Yorks
I've worked out the answer to our problems.
Historically EA have said immediately cultivate in the FYM to stop ammonia losses.
Now they say you can't spread in Autumn. If someone ploughs it down and captures the ammonia, then it leaches over winter.
How about spreading in Autumn, but not cultivating in. Ammonia will gas off (just as it would if applied on top of a crop in spring, so no difference), so now there's less N to leach over winter
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P.S. My science is a bit iffy. Is ammonia (if cultivated in), in a form that leaches?
Edit. Am I suggesting spreading on top of the autumn drilled seedbed. Wouldn't fancy doing that.
Historically EA have said immediately cultivate in the FYM to stop ammonia losses.
Now they say you can't spread in Autumn. If someone ploughs it down and captures the ammonia, then it leaches over winter.
How about spreading in Autumn, but not cultivating in. Ammonia will gas off (just as it would if applied on top of a crop in spring, so no difference), so now there's less N to leach over winter
.P.S. My science is a bit iffy. Is ammonia (if cultivated in), in a form that leaches?
Edit. Am I suggesting spreading on top of the autumn drilled seedbed. Wouldn't fancy doing that.
- Location
- Essex
It is possible to spread into a growing or newly sown crop in spring or early summer. After all it all costs money so why not get the best out of it?
Grass seems to be the best answer.
Grass seems to be the best answer.
- Location
- Limousin/Charentes toad land
Maize is a good solution but you are struggling to harvest grain in the uk
We put turkey muck on in September - the soil is not cold and wet and the late September wheat grows away rapidly. What would the difference in lost N between leaching over the winter or airborne losses ion unincorporated muck applied in the spring?
Maybe we could redefine the meaning of a field heap? For example if ever acre of a field had about 10T of FYM in small heaps evenly spaced then this might minimise run off from the heaps. Using the jargon we could further mitigate any pollution by incorporating the FYM to minimise ammonia losses.
Everyone goes on about grass but many a time people spread it on grass and you get no rain for two months and it is still sat on top. Someone else also mentioned disease risk. This policy sounds so unworkable. I know a farm who have 4000 B and B pigs who will be 80 % winter cropping and spread it on straight after harvest.
This farm mentioned is all heavy clay and only some spring crops because of blackgrass.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Stop trying to rationalise.
Public don't like the smell.
EA and government don't like farming.
That's the stance. Don't try and think it's something else. Spend the ÂŁÂŁÂŁ storing, composing etc and they'll still find something they don't like. They don't like granular urea. They don't like spraying.
Face it - they don't like us. They're moving to a system of "100 percent stick" regulation.
Public don't like the smell.
EA and government don't like farming.
That's the stance. Don't try and think it's something else. Spend the ÂŁÂŁÂŁ storing, composing etc and they'll still find something they don't like. They don't like granular urea. They don't like spraying.
Face it - they don't like us. They're moving to a system of "100 percent stick" regulation.
- Location
- Sedgefield
Stick regulation because the carrot of SPF is waning