Autumn manure banned

[l'ordinary bonville]

I,ve heard down the grapevine that the EA are banning autumn slurry and solid muck applications as AHDB have told them there is no crop justification for applications of N or manur containing N apart from on osr

This effectively means all and any livestock manures or digestate cannot be applied to stubbles so the spreading season is only from end jan to as late as you can get on a crop in late spring

This has massive ramifications for storage requirements and spreading over the land

Has anyone else heard similar?

 

[AlfM]

My agronomist has been getting excited about this recently. There have been meetings going on in the background about this i believe but it's not quite as extreme as you suggest from what i'm told. However yes we will need to justify the amount put on and show the crop needs it. Putting muck on in the autumn for sugar beet so it can be ploughed and get the frost for example won't be happening anymore.

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

I’ve been told explicitly no N manures on any autumn cereals

 

[principal skinner]

Sewage sludge?

 

[whatnow]

Had a letter from them today re sewage application in the autumn. I’d need to re-read it but I think they’re saying as you’ve heard and ‘inviting’ you to justify the application through rb209

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

I’ve been told explicitly no N manures on any autumn cereals

No N at all would mean no FYM or even compost. No manures with high readily available N would mean no slurry or digestate. If the AHDB have been involved with this then they should remember who pays them.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Remember Rb209 is merely guidance and can be ignored with justification, even better if that justification is written down by a FACTS qualified advisor. Such justification might be that an autumn cereal crop has had a lot of chopped straw incorporated or the crop has been min-tilled so there is little N mineralised.
The NVZ rules are legislation and must be followed.

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

Had a letter from them today re sewage application in the autumn. I’d need to re-read it but I think they’re saying as you’ve heard and ‘inviting’ you to justify the application through rb209

My guess is this is where it will originat from. RB209 becomes the stick to beat us with and it will be beyond argument.
all thanks to AHDB

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

Remember Rb209 is merely guidance and can be ignored with justification, even better if that justification is written down by a FACTS qualified advisor. Such justification might be that an autumn cereal crop has had a lot of chopped straw incorporated or the crop has been min-tilled so there is little N mineralised.
The NVZ rules are legislation and must be followed.

Been told chopped straw is not a justification

 

[AlfM]

Heard it's all to do with the Farming Rules for Water which have been out a few years now. So far the EA not really done anything about them but maybe they've woken up.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Been told chopped straw is not a justification

Presumably at some point there will be some wider consultation, I would have thought that incorporating a big straw crop should be enough of a justification. There will certainly have to be period of adjustment over a number of years, this can't happen overnight.

 

[farmerm]

Heard it's all to do with the Farming Rules for Water which have been out a few years now. So far the EA not really done anything about them but maybe they've woken up.

Rules for farmers and land managers to prevent water pollution - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Where does it say autumn manure is a problem?

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

Trouble is I don’t think it’s up for consultation

I think ea have just sought clarification on whether there is justification and where the answer is no then autumn is illegal End of

Not their problem how to comply with the law as it exists

Feel like another rug has been pulled out from under us

By those that are meant to be working for us

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Had a letter from them today re sewage application in the autumn. I’d need to re-read it but I think they’re saying as you’ve heard and ‘inviting’ you to justify the application through rb209

Was this letter from the Environment Agency? You don't have to justify any part of Rb209 to the EA.

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

Rules for farmers and land managers to prevent water pollution - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Where does it say autumn manure is a problem?

• how much fertiliser or manure to use, so you do not use more than your crop or soil needs

according to rb209 none in the autumn

 

[Surgery]

Lockdown is obviously easing as the arseholes , EA , are making up this kind of crap again , ffs

 

[Barleymow]

When are you supposed to spread muck then ,growing only winter crops will never be dry enough in the spring to apply , and certainly not spread pig muck at tramline widths

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

• how much fertiliser or manure to use, so you do not use more than your crop or soil needs

according to rb209 none in the autumn

But Rb209 is only guidance, not legislation.

 

[Clive]

if its polluting should we be using it ?

i commented on a facebook image of someone spreading slurry on a hard frost a hill with river at the bottom and the replies were clearly oblivious to the pollution- congratulatory to the operator for using the frost to “get on” in really wet in conditions !!


we are our own worst enemy sometimes that’s for sure

i would have no issue with banning application end of September- late march ?

 

[snarling bee]

So we put the FYM or digested sewage sludge on the growing crop in the spring - and then get the village up in arms because of the smell. The ammonia losses would be a lot worse.