Covid Vaccine Roll out.

Guleesh · Aug 3, 2021

Highland Mule said:
And nobody on this forum has even a quarter of the understanding of the subject that the good folks at WHO do, whatever they think in themselves.

See above, and with the utmost of genuine respect, you don’t understand the science behind the vaccine in enough detail to make a fully informed decision any more than I do, and certainly less than those scientists who have spent a lifetime working on them. I have no doubt you are intelligent, but there’s a difference between upper decile and world leading.

Fair enough, but I'm not advising anybody to do or take anything, the only advising I see on here is folk advising others to take the jab. I do however think I'm fit to make decisions concerning my own health, and am happy to discuss my concerns about not only the vaccine, but also the thinking and reasoning behind the vaccination programme as it stands.

I don't place the same amount of faith and trust in science and medical science that you perhaps do, why not? because history is full of examples of world leading scientists causing more harm than good despite their best intentions. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, and also, to ignore history is to repeat it.

essex man · Aug 3, 2021

Highland Mule said:
And nobody on this forum has even a quarter of the understanding of the subject that the good folks at WHO do, whatever they think in themselves.

See above, and with the utmost of genuine respect, you don’t understand the science behind the vaccine in enough detail to make a fully informed decision any more than I do, and certainly less than those scientists who have spent a lifetime working on them. I have no doubt you are intelligent, but there’s a difference between upper decile and world leading.

Hilarious "with respect...."
I hereby declare you not worthy of expressing an opinion.

History is littered with examples of The dangers of believing people because of who they are, rather than backing your own judgement of what they say.

boumaticboy · Aug 3, 2021

bobk said:
Has the vaccine made us nearer the end or further away ?

Depends on who you choose to believe.! I won’t be drawn into o an argument.

Charlie Gill · Aug 3, 2021

Guleesh said:
Fair enough, but I'm not advising anybody to do or take anything, the only advising I see on here is folk advising others to take the jab...

If you haven't seen the easily recognisable crew trying to create vaccine hesitancy, then you haven't been paying attention, or you are blinded by your loyalty to them.

essex man · Aug 3, 2021

bobk said:
Has the vaccine made us nearer the end or further away ?

What does the end look like to you bob?

bobk · Aug 3, 2021

essex man said:
What does the end look like to you bob?

Better than yours

Guleesh · Aug 3, 2021

Charlie Gill said:
If you haven't seen the easily recognisable crew trying to create vaccine hesitancy, then you haven't been paying attention, or you are blinded by your loyalty to them.

Yes, you've got me banged to rights, I don't agree with them really, but nevertheless I have unwavering blind loyalty to a crew of anonymous forum contributors, who are using a thread in an obscure corner of a farming forum that contains 130 pages of repetitive bickering, in a sinister plot to create vaccine hesitancy.

smallholder99 · Aug 3, 2021

the news gives the impression we are making progress but in what area are we making progress if cases are 20,000 higher than a year ago and deaths 138 today, 15 a year ago

Raider112 · Aug 3, 2021

I have no problem with anti vax views, I have family and friends who hold them and some are quite intelligent, thankfully intelligent enough to respect that they are a minority and apart from one, don't try to impose their views on everybody else.
But I have to say that like most who follow these threads I'm fed up of reading dozens of posts that use a lot of words to argue for the sake of it but actually add nothing at all to the debate, and refuse to answer anyone who questions anything.
Another poster suggested there may be foreign agents spreading propaganda on here and maybe it's not as daft as it sounds, it would explain the almost obsessive need to post repeatedly on what should be an interesting debate.
Sometimes less is more.

Charlie Gill · Aug 3, 2021

Guleesh said:
Yes, you've got me banged to rights, I don't agree with them really, but nevertheless I have unwavering blind loyalty to a crew of anonymous forum contributors, who are using a thread in an obscure corner of a farming forum that contains 130 pages of repetitive bickering, in a sinister plot to create vaccine hesitancy.

Why did you feel the need to suddenly jump in and try and defend one of them then?

lazy farmer · Aug 3, 2021

smallholder99 said:
the news gives the impression we are making progress but in what area are we making progress if cases are 20,000 higher than a year ago and deaths 138 today, 15 a year ago

Cases are dropping after a long period of being open. Last yr they were rising and would continue to rise until lockdowns came back.
you might not like It but the vaccine means herd immunity is almost here

Raider112 · Aug 3, 2021

smallholder99 said:
the news gives the impression we are making progress but in what area are we making progress if cases are 20,000 higher than a year ago and deaths 138 today, 15 a year ago

There have been peaks and troughs right through, it's not seasonal like flu so a year ago's figures are irrelevant.

Guleesh · Aug 3, 2021

Charlie Gill said:
Why did you feel the need to suddenly jump in and try and defend one of them then?

I don't recall doing so. Do you hold your views because you are loyal to the pro vax crew?

Pasty · Aug 3, 2021

boumaticboy said:
i am not in agreement with all mr essex opinions but he has been accused of putting peoples lives and health in danger. surely the same could be said of those on here who are pushing these new drugs/vacc. no one knows the long term effects even the makers/scientists. IF for some reason there are issues those who have badgered coereced and belittled people into getting jabbed are guilty of endangering peoples health. i have had friends ask for my opinion on what they should do and my answer is always the same. weigh up your risks and decide for yourself. i dont disclose to any one if i have been jabbed lest i be accused of influencing people.

I would agree with that. Demanding peer reviewed evidence/ qualifications etc. is a little trick of the usual suspects when much has been posted and ignored over various threads. I don't think the BBC or Channel 4 is a good source of info to build a case on either. Fact is. Actual fact that these vax's are not proven over time and we don't know the long term side effects. Anyone who says we do either has a time machine or is a moron. I've expressed my views in that I accept that it's a choice to take the vax and that I don't believe children should be forced to have it and neither should it cost you your job. That's my view. I think there should be more respect for each of our views. I have never condemned anyone for having it or not. I have my own story of 3 close friends who had it and 2 of them I have taken to A&E with troubling signs within 3 weeks. But that maybe pure coincidence even though neither have been to A&E before.

Each to their own.

czechmate · Aug 3, 2021

Pasty said:
I would agree with that. Demanding peer reviewed evidence/ qualifications etc. is a little trick of the usual suspects when much has been posted and ignored over various threads. I don't think the BBC or Channel 4 is a good source of info to build a case on either. Fact is. Actual fact that these vax's are not proven over time and we don't know the long term side effects. Anyone who says we do either has a time machine or is a moron. I've expressed my views in that I accept that it's a choice to take the vax and that I don't believe children should be forced to have it and neither should it cost you your job. That's my view. I think there should be more respect for each of our views. I have never condemned anyone for having it or not. I have my own story of 3 close friends who had it and 2 of them I have taken to A&E with troubling signs within 3 weeks. But that maybe pure coincidence even though neither have been to A&E before.

Each to their own.

Long term is looking good

. 10 hours in, I’m still alive although feeling pretty jaded.
Not taken out of choice and I’m feeling very pee'd at being forced into it

essex man · Aug 3, 2021

Raider112 said:
There have been peaks and troughs right through, it's not seasonal like flu so a year ago's figures are irrelevant.

So we don't measure the success of these "vaccines" by case or "death" numbers?

Interesting!
You have metric you prefer?

essex man · Aug 3, 2021

lazy farmer said:
Cases are dropping after a long period of being open. Last yr they were rising and would continue to rise until lockdowns came back.
you might not like It but the vaccine means herd immunity is almost here

Cases went up because of more mixing?
You are saying?
The herd immunity has been created by the virus or the vaccine?
The numbers vaccinated did not change much between cases rising dramatically then falling.
The herd immunity you speak of looks more likely to have been created by infection doesn't it?

JCMaloney · Aug 3, 2021

There are lots of numbers and they can be manipulated to suit any message. I should know.

Any herd immunity is a mixture of vaccinated, previously infected and naturally immune.

Raider112 · Aug 3, 2021

essex man said:
So we don't measure the success of these "vaccines" by case or "death" numbers?

Interesting!
You have metric you prefer?

What I'm saying is that it may have been worse 15 months ago and 9 months ago, the time of year is irrelevant, some say it dies out in the summer but we had 50,000 cases a few weeks ago, obviously those numbers mean more deaths will follow.

essex man · Aug 3, 2021

Raider112 said:
What I'm saying is that it may have been worse 15 months ago and 9 months ago, the time of year is irrelevant, some say it dies out in the summer but we had 50,000 cases a few weeks ago, obviously those numbers mean more deaths will follow.

It's wasn't worse in January as normal in terms of deaths?
80k people died in January, half of them supposedly of covid.

Likely to be 40k ish in July with 1-2k covid.

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