ollie989898
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The issue you will have is that giving something like consort disease resistance will take a lot more than just the addition or deletion of a single gene.
The NFU backs gene editing. Do you ?
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The issue you will have is that giving something like consort disease resistance will take a lot more than just the addition or deletion of a single gene.
You have obviously been listening to the simplified farmer friendly nfu bumph about gene editing.
I keep hearing about some kind of GE cottage industry in the U.K., they will be bought up by the multi nationals in no time and have you by the balls.
GE, much like chemical farming treats symptoms and not causes.
Just because you have abused the chemicals and are now trying to find solutions to problems that you have created by blaming the chemical companies.Atlantis still works here when needed but it is always applied at the correct amount and at the right time of year,I bet billy big balls cannot say that!
When have I ever blamed a chemical company for chemical resistance in plants?
Resistance to molecules is absolutely inevitable. The problems you want to solve with GE will also be overcome.
what I am interested in is how do we stop the causes of the agronomic problems that agriculture the world over is still chasing their tails over and appear to be loosing, by continuing the path of treating symptoms and not causes.
Not sure why you feel the need to have personal digs at me about Atlantis and billy big balls? I guess one dose of strobe still kills septoria on your perfect farm?
No but gene editing could make septoria a thing of the past!
I would bet a large sum of money that it wouldn’t.
Why not? Some varieties of wheat don’t suffer from it but would never be grown because of other issues like a poor yield but take that gene or genes out of a poor yielding variety and put it in a higher yielding variety and problem solved
Because nature always finds a way around this. All the various pesticides that have been used, all the GM technology that’s been developed in the last 20 years and the same old problems are still there.
GE may help but it’s not going to make something like septoria history.
Philosophy has stood the test of time reasonably well. If he wants to have a pop at a discipline, one that has been around for 5 minutes yet is somehow held up as being above all others, he should target economics.
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But would want a philosopher of medicine to perform a heart surgery on you or to advise you on it or would you prefer a heart surgeon. I rather travel on a rocket designed by a physicist than a philosopher of physics.
But would want a philosopher of medicine to perform a heart surgery on you or to advise you on it or would you prefer a heart surgeon. I rather travel on a rocket designed by a physicist than a philosopher of physics.
Agreed. It is economics that is the charlatan discipline. If the doc says I need an op then I need an op. If the physicist says the rocket will fly then it will fly. If the economist says we can't afford it, we can change the economics. It is a discipline that is purely subjective, yet everyone has been blinded into thinking it is hard and fast.
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I have forgotten where I heard or read it but one of the former leading professors in economics used to say it was impossible due to how complex world trade is and the things that affect it to predict with any accuracy beyond the short term in economics due to the ties with trade. He then left education to become one of the top advisors to both Labour and Conservative governments in the treasury where in several statements said how it was possible to do so even to 50 years in the future.
Neither is turning the clock back to trying to farm like yesteryear but just think about all the old varieties that only needed one fungicide or better still non at all with the yield of a modern variety,that is possible with gene editing
Breakthru
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Consort still top yielder in trials here. Imagine it being septoria free.
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Thank goodness for that.
Anyone would think it was as controversial as genetic modification, rather than just the same as can be achieved (more slowly) by conventional breeding techniques.
Anyone would think it was as controversial as genetic modification, rather than just the same as can be achieved (more slowly) by conventional breeding techniques.
kiwi pom
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Yep looks well worth the research to me.Thank goodness for that.
Anyone would think it was as controversial as genetic modification, rather than just the same as can be achieved (more slowly) by conventional breeding techniques.
Rothamsted gets green light to trial gene-edited wheat - Farmers Weekly
Scientists have been given the green light to grow the UK’s first field trial of gene-edited wheat. Rothamsted Research announced on Thursday (24 August)
www.fwi.co.uk
I'm too thick to completely understand it but GE tech like CRISPR seems like a game changer for all kinds of things, not just a bit of wheat.
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Not read the whole thread, but I'm deeply deeply concerned by the concept. I recently heard something on the radio about the CRISPR bull calve. The company involved were trying to frame it that they were helping farmers by breeding bulls only, due to better meat yield, faster growth etc.
I immediately thought that they're just to tying to control the supply of females, preventing farmers from breeding their own females on farm.
I immediately thought that they're just to tying to control the supply of females, preventing farmers from breeding their own females on farm.
Breakthru
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You are correct to a certain extent, those who didn't retail online (other than Primark) failed dismally. This will be a new form of competition you just have to work out the if the financial benefits outweigh the costs. Swim against the tide and you may well drown. You just need to work out the tide flow and the size of the waves.
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I would take that with a grain of salt unless it was directly spoken about by the firm in which case I very much doubt they would be in business for long given that you can already get sexed semen.
I've not got any experience in cattle bar showing a couple of nutty heifers but sheep wise I'd rather have females with good growth etc than males in both flocks A) for female replacements as we prefer to buy in most rams for fresh blood other than a few home ones to follow on afterwards. B) due to the fact that the more males the more chance of rigs that you can't castrate with out slicing from a vet which then leads to docking at market in the price we get for them either as stores as it means they need to be separate from any ewes lambs that maybe already brought or fattening on or due to 'taint' of the meat.
With the banana and orange crops getting shorter and no way to conventionally breed resistance into bananas I'm hoping they soon turn their attention to that as I love banana on my cereal in the morning with good British whole milk.