tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
Dont bother about a reply. The press will draw it out of them.
Fair play to FW for tackling AIC issue head on.
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don't get to happy to quick they haven't done a thing yet despite looking into it for months rt will try their hardest to protect their protection racket
Be a case of yes we will look into it, then the door to the office will be shut and Minette, Dim Jim, Blenky, and the men from AIC and AHDB will go back to there game of poker using real money they have scammed from us!
simple ………
because this doesn’t pay for any gravy !
turkey’s don’t vote for Christmas and that’s what we are asking for
The solution to “assurance” REALLY is as simple as that box on a passport, it’s more than any import farmer we compete against does
- Location
- Yorks
And if farmers don't get what they want, then NFU, RT, AIC and AHDB will have been responsible for AHDB's fate at the ballot.
That would be scandalous, as farmers generally value AHDB's work, but it will become a single issue ballot.
The fate of OUR levy board, which in future years could help propell our industry forward, is being put at risk.
They need to fix it asap.
- Location
- Yorks
...meanwhile, AHDB sponsored the AIC conferences for seversl years with levy payers money.
I'm really angry.
They're going to all be in the poop on Friday when the FW hits the doormats.
SilliamWhale
Member
Don't think they will roll over that easily. We've a bit of a slog ahead of us yet with a lot of obfuscation. But we will get there and your efforts are worthy of Farming Hero of the Year. Thanks
beardface
Member
- Location
- East Yorkshire
Surely we can't be far off mounting a producer backed legal case now? Might end up like the emissions scandal where we all end up in line for compo on premium we should of had.....
- Location
- Yorks
Thanks for the support.
It's my hobby.
I get a buzz out of challenging this unjust situation, which costs RT farmers £17 million per annum in unecessary compliance costs. And that's without taking account of costs for the Scots at SQC or our friends over in Ireland.
Just soing what I think is the right thing.
I don't want a job, I don't want to join the gravy train, or get £10k/annum for 1 day a month on a board.
Just fairness for our farmers.
- Location
- Devon
Bad idea.
We are being shafted by the people who are supposed to work in our interests.
Imagine what it would be like if they sold it.
tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
Found this appropriate quote that sums them all up...
"If you're defending a lie, you can only defend it with obfuscations and other lies. You can't defend a lie with the truth."
- Location
- North Yorkshire
Well done Steve and everyone for keeping the pressure on
I think the lack of openness from all the bodies concerned is showing them in poor light
It will be a loss to cereals if the AHDB go as they have some great staff and projects ongoing and with the changes ahead more farmers should be looking for ways of looking objectively at their business the AHDB have some good ways of doing this available.
Looks like all parties have lost sight of their primary objective looking after the levy payer / paying customer, ie primary producer
Simple message to the AHDB will be get behind producers it’s your only way forward
I think the lack of openness from all the bodies concerned is showing them in poor light
It will be a loss to cereals if the AHDB go as they have some great staff and projects ongoing and with the changes ahead more farmers should be looking for ways of looking objectively at their business the AHDB have some good ways of doing this available.
Looks like all parties have lost sight of their primary objective looking after the levy payer / paying customer, ie primary producer
Simple message to the AHDB will be get behind producers it’s your only way forward
- Location
- Essex
The big question is why do the AIC via UFAS assume it's safe or appropriate to feed untested imports from unknown farms to UK livestock, farm assured or not?
- Location
- Herefordshire
I've told my regional NFU chairman all about it and he sort of agreed. What baffles me is the total silence from the senior NFU officials,they don't want to engage.Perhaps they realise they haven't a leg to stand on or,perhaps, they think if they remain silent it will all be forgotten in a week or two.
We have to maintain pressure through social media or however.It is essential.
Perhaps they don't care as they have enough money coming in from corporate companies that they no longer worry about farmers. They are,after all,the NON FARMING UNION.
- Location
- Yorks
I think the biggest negotiating advantage is the AHDB ballot.
If it's lost, the blame gets pinned on NFU, RT, AIC and AHDB themselves. They'd have to carry that on their shoulders inperpetua.
Interesting couple of months ahead.
- Location
- Yorks
For the record, I like AHDB and get good value for money from the levy.
And I like the move made by Paul Temple, his board and Martin Grantley-Smith. Taken funding away from RT, but held out the carrot and effectively said "we've got more funding available and waiting, you can have it if there's a specific project which develops things for levy payers".
Presumably that's code for "provide a level playingfield, and give levy payers better market access, then we'll give funding back, keep it hush hush,no-one will know what's happened, everyone will be happy".
It's just everyone now knows about it, and it's made the spat public. That's good, as all farmers will now understand what's been going on, that heaps the pressure on, and helps AHDB get good result for framers' market access, farmers happy, AHDB win ballot, everything good.
That's the plan, but out of my hands to action it. Down to AIC, RT, NFU, AHDB.
Hope they dont fluff it up!
Surely they can't fluff it up, can they?
And I like the move made by Paul Temple, his board and Martin Grantley-Smith. Taken funding away from RT, but held out the carrot and effectively said "we've got more funding available and waiting, you can have it if there's a specific project which develops things for levy payers".
Presumably that's code for "provide a level playingfield, and give levy payers better market access, then we'll give funding back, keep it hush hush,no-one will know what's happened, everyone will be happy".
It's just everyone now knows about it, and it's made the spat public. That's good, as all farmers will now understand what's been going on, that heaps the pressure on, and helps AHDB get good result for framers' market access, farmers happy, AHDB win ballot, everything good.
That's the plan, but out of my hands to action it. Down to AIC, RT, NFU, AHDB.
Hope they dont fluff it up!
Surely they can't fluff it up, can they?
- Location
- Yorks
I'll be even more annoyed than I already am if the clowns fail to run the circus, and AHDB implodes due to all this.
Ball in their court. Please give us some decent strong leadership and fix this mess. It's what you're paid to do, you're all supposes to have got where you are because you've got some brains. Please use them!!!
Ball in their court. Please give us some decent strong leadership and fix this mess. It's what you're paid to do, you're all supposes to have got where you are because you've got some brains. Please use them!!!
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SilliamWhale
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It will be an interesting discussion to have as to whether the AHDB are "worth it". For some the idea of having a vote on their future based on a single issue is crazed because of the other work they do. It is one angle and a reasonable one.
However there is an alternative point of view - if the organisation are not interested in helping on Red Tractor corruption and meglomania (and lets not forget RT in March this year was going all out to spread its tentacles into a lot of places it had no business and for a lot of farmer disbenefit) then are they really going to be worth it going forward on the other stuff in the longer term? Can you trust they have you the levy payers best interest at heart? Maybe someone else can do it better with a better remit?
AHDB are not sacred. At the moment I'm broadly speaking pro AHDB. But I would want to know they're on my side by the time the vote comes. If there is any NFU style obfuscation I'd be voting them to drift away.
A big step forward would be to push out the insistence that merchants must trade with a sticker from a single private company to place grain into the marketplace..
- Location
- Essex
The danger for ahdb is that there's a fair proportion of farmers who resent the compulsory levy. They are liable to vote against, despite the good work done by ahdb.
I don't know any farmers who are pro red tractor (except those on the payroll), so if this becomes a single issue vote, it could be a landslide.
I don't know any farmers who are pro red tractor (except those on the payroll), so if this becomes a single issue vote, it could be a landslide.
My word. Wait until you read this!
Assured Food Standards (RT) is a not-for-profit company, with 6 guarantors. One is AHDB, another is NFU.
Scottish Quality Crops is a company limited by guarantee, one of the members of the company is AIC.
See below web links and screenshots...
Who We Are: The Red Tractor Team - Red Tractor Assurance
Red Tractor is a not-for-profit company created by farmers and industry leaders in 2000.assurance.redtractor.org.uk
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If AIC were to let us have same feed mill access arrangements as imports, then SQC loses members and income. Remember AIC are one of SQC's owners.
RT would lose members and income. AHDB and NFU are guarantors of AFS.
So when we ask for a tick box declaration, we are met with resistance, but given no valid reason why not.
The water is muddy.
When we've talked to AHDB about a tick box, they've not said no, but have gone down the route of talking to RT. It's got nothing to do with RT. It doesn't need RT's approval.
But if AHDB were to get AIC to allow tick-box declaration, then as guarantors of RT and SQC, AHDB and AIC would have decimated income for the companies they are guarantors for.
Same goes for NFU, hence presumably why the malaise from NFU.
With this conflict of interest, are levy payers ever going to get genuine help from AHDB? I think levy payers are due an explanation from Nicholas Saphir over this.
I could never understand the full reasons for the illogical resistance to a tick-box pesticide declaration. I do now understand why there is resistance.
I smell some rats, and they're not in my RT assured grain store. They're in the offices at AHDB and AIC and NFU.
Meanwhile, farmers get charged millions £££ each year to be forced to be farm assured.
One for the Rogue Traders TV programme.
!!!!! It's a scandal !!!!!
this must be the biggest scandal Uk agriculture as ever seen
people need a public flogging over this
if it’s not sorted NFU and AHDB deserve no support from any of us
@AM_Arable you REALLY MUST publish the above, there has NEVER been a bigger story in this industry
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